The employees don’t get paid less if some jumps the turnstile, the fuel cost to carry a single person is completely trivial, and I didn’t say nobody should care about turnstile jumpers. I said its not stealing. If you damage the tracks and cause the train to derail you’re a monster, and there are financial costs, but you still didn’t steal the train. Your argument doesn’t make any sense.
So are you arguing that turnstile jumpers are harming the company, but they are not stealing the service / train / ride? Like the literal word “steal”.
Yes. That is in fact what I am arguing. I would also argue that the harm is tiny and can sometimes be justifiable, depending on the circumstances, but yes. It absolutely does do some non-zero harm, and yes there is no thing being stolen. That is the argument I am making.
And poverty, car crash deaths, lung cancer from pollution, etc.
Honestly a similar solution can work for media, we can use government to fund many small creatives and studios, breaking up publisher monopolies and possibly even doing some social good by allocating specific funds to black/white/native/hispanic/whatever creators to not only encourage creative endeavors for all communities but also build lasting cultural heritages.
That would require the government to work for the people, instead of against them, though, so I doubt we’ll see it anytime soon.
No, they’re just stealing the fuel and wages the employees should be getting for maintaining the train.
The employees don’t get paid less if some jumps the turnstile, the fuel cost to carry a single person is completely trivial, and I didn’t say nobody should care about turnstile jumpers. I said its not stealing. If you damage the tracks and cause the train to derail you’re a monster, and there are financial costs, but you still didn’t steal the train. Your argument doesn’t make any sense.
“Trivial” is not “zero”.
Maybe, but it’s also closer to the price saved on less wear and tear on the turnstile than it is the price of the ticket.
So are you arguing that turnstile jumpers are harming the company, but they are not stealing the service / train / ride? Like the literal word “steal”.
Yes. That is in fact what I am arguing. I would also argue that the harm is tiny and can sometimes be justifiable, depending on the circumstances, but yes. It absolutely does do some non-zero harm, and yes there is no thing being stolen. That is the argument I am making.
Yeah alright makes sense. Sometimes it hard to know what people are exactly arguing about.
Ok, then make the trains a public service, collect taxes for it and make puplic transport free.
Analogous to the whole “piracy” discourse: Manage more media like libraries.
That would be a great idea, and could even help combat climate change.
And poverty, car crash deaths, lung cancer from pollution, etc.
Honestly a similar solution can work for media, we can use government to fund many small creatives and studios, breaking up publisher monopolies and possibly even doing some social good by allocating specific funds to black/white/native/hispanic/whatever creators to not only encourage creative endeavors for all communities but also build lasting cultural heritages.
That would require the government to work for the people, instead of against them, though, so I doubt we’ll see it anytime soon.