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        I don’t support them at all but I seriously believe that by calling them things they are not, you open up the term for more moderate but right leaning people. “If everyone is a Nazi, Naziism must not be so bad.”

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            I personally don’t even care about rhetoric pushback, it just makes american political discourse impossible to read or interact with. I don’t know how americans deal with this on a daily basis without just giving up and noping out of politics.

            When people talk about Nazis in my country’s political scene, they usually mean actual Nazis, skinheads covered in swastikas touting about and committing acts of violence on minorities, genuinely the worst kind of people you can possibly imagine. The same goes for fascists, probably because we got rid of fascism not that long ago. When americans (on the internet, at least) talk about Nazis or fascists, it’s a coin toss whether the person they’re talking about shares actual Nazi ideals, or is just someone very slightly right of center who they disagree with on some very specific issue. It just makes it impossible to interact with any american political discourse. Which would be fine if it was contained in specific communities, but it eventually spreads out to any community which has a large american user base.

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          If everyone is a Nazi, Naziism must not be so bad.

          I don’t know how you’d make that leap. Nazism is bad. Hence the people I called nazis are bad.

          moderate but right leaning people.

          There’s no such thing. lol.

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            If your definition of moderate is anything right of anarchism, I’m sorry to break it to you but you don’t understand the definition of the word. Conservatives are not Nazis.

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                That can be true and then still not be Nazis. Additionally, you pushing them that way doesn’t help the issue at all.

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                Then maybe discuss the ideas & groups to get them to either explain themselves or expose themselves… instead of calling them “national socialists” when that’s not what they are.

                Otherwise why stop at “nazis”? Might as well straight up call them murderers or rapists.

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          I think that anybody even considering that thought is probably already beyond help.

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          Better way to say it imo, is that you have the extremist on the right expanding at a faster clip than the left. And most people do want to be moderate, they want to believe the middle road is justified & yet it puts them solidly conservative w/o them realizing it.

          It sucks it does imo & if I saw equal reactions on the left then I’d call it out but I don’t.

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            The right has done nothing but contract for the past 150 years. “Conservatives” have continually met leftists in the middle and conserved nothing. In my country even the state church allows gay and female clergy now. I’m not a christian, but that’s the perfect example of the Right relenting even in their supposedly most sacred institution (though I suppose the bank has taken over that role for conservatives of the past century). Meanwhile, the Left has expanded at such a rate that the revolutionaries of two generations ago sound like today’s reactionaries.

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                All right, I’ll put it in as simple terms as possible, as you seem to need it.

                I disagreed with that quote so intensely that I couldn’t even bring myself to explain why. I just needed you to know that the act of sharing that quote, let alone coming up with it, was pure cringe. Seriously “in this moment I am euphoric”-tier. I mean “the unjust man”… just cmon. It’s basically just telling you to be unyielding. Nothing but banal, vapid propaganda that could just as easily adorn the walls of the NSDAP as the NAACP.

                “I simply asked if you have value.” All right, let me “simply ask” you if colored people have value. Infer anything from that?

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                    Of course an unjust man would be unjust. Truly a profound statement. One for the ages.

                    Good job on the inference. Now I’m just left wondering if you’re being purposefully obtuse or just can’t help it.