Agents rarely get in trouble for intentionally firing their guns at people or animals. The two “bad shoot” incidents were not previously known.
    • Ibaudia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      231·
      1 year ago

      It’s not about logic, it’s about being forced to submit to authority under threat of death. Some people think that system makes them safer, because they don’t believe it will ever be used against them.

    • BlanketsWithSmallpox@lemmy.world
      13·
      1 year ago

      If you’re running away to plan on killing or seriously harm more people, then yes lol.

      Also half the reason the law works is due to fear of injury or isolation. It’s the underlying threat to every law and social norm for humanity.

      Edit: and let’s not kid that isolation isn’t just physical harm lol.

    • Sightline@lemmy.mlEnglish
      49·
      1 year ago

      Both cops and military are taught you can shoot someone running away if you reasonably believe they will harm others.

      • FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world
        71·
        1 year ago

        this is so far from the truth. stfu about shit you know nothing about. shooting at a fleeing ‘suspect’ or ‘combatant’ is a big no no.

        • Sightline@lemmy.mlEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          1.5.7. Escape. Deadly force is authorized when it appears necessary to prevent the escape of a prisoner, provided there is probable cause to believe such person(s) committed or attempted to commit a serious offense, that is, one that involves immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm, and would pose an immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm to DoD forces or others in the vicinity. Source: AFI 31-117

          Here’s the DoE’s version:

          (5) Apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to apprehend or prevent the escape of a person reasonably believed to: (i) have committed an offense of the nature specified in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) 1 of this section; or (ii) be escaping by use of a weapon or explosive or who otherwise indicates that he or she poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the protective force officer or others unless apprehended without delay.

      • BlanketsWithSmallpox@lemmy.world
        33·
        1 year ago

        Downvoted for being right despite the people below not understanding hors de combat.

        Fleeing does not mean surrender. Being injured enough to not be able to fight, essentially unconscious is another. You can also shoot someone if you reasonably believe they’re commiting perfidy. These are protected by the Geneva convention and war crimes themselves.

        https://lieber.westpoint.edu/down-not-always-out-hors-de-combat-close-fight/

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidy

        https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule47

          • Sightline@lemmy.mlEnglish
            11·
            1 year ago

            1.5.7. Escape. Deadly force is authorized when it appears necessary to prevent the escape of a prisoner, provided there is probable cause to believe such person(s) committed or attempted to commit a serious offense, that is, one that involves immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm, and would pose an immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm to DoD forces or others in the vicinity. Source: AFI 31-117

            Here’s the DoE’s version:

            (5) Apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to apprehend or prevent the escape of a person reasonably believed to: (i) have committed an offense of the nature specified in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) 1 of this section; or (ii) be escaping by use of a weapon or explosive or who otherwise indicates that he or she poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the protective force officer or others unless apprehended without delay.

            I have multiple DD-214’s FYI.