You can’t use this cop-out like it’s a joke whenever it’s rhetorically convenient for you, especially when you said in the comments that you completely meant it.
[Yes, I was baited again despite earlier doing the healthy thing of disengaging, that much is not on you]
Then what the fuck do you say “it’s a meme” for? What useful information does that convey? Because clearly you’re serious about it and have been told that that response comes off as you saying “it’s just a joke bro”
Look mate, “it’s a meme” means it’s not going to be particularly nuanced in its criticism. It’s meant to ellicit cheap laughs through simplifying some parts. Y’all have a brain, you can certainly see which parts are exagerrated for these purposes. Your comrades were certainly capable of starting nuanced discussions about Catalonia based on this understanding.
Honestly, I think you are all playing dumb in order to get some gotchas.
I have no interest in gotchas, what I am seeking is a clear and consistent position. Obviously others who know more about the Spanish Civil War know that it’s depiction of Stalin as killing anarchists rather than merely supplying them with 75% of their tanks and no more is a wild misrepresentation, and you still have yet to clarify who the “intellectuals” in Mao’s case even refer to.
My further point is that this bizarre blanket characterization of MLs as butchers, including of people that they did nothing but help, is gross historical revisionism pandering to the preconceptions of people who frankly have next to zero historical understanding when it comes to the groups it refers to. It is in fact poor conduct to stand by such a message whether it is “just a meme” or communicated by any other medium, just as I am very careful to limit my accusations of, say, Nestor Makhno only to what the most sympathetic of biographers admit of him (since I personally do not know about the proof of other claims).
I don’t particularly have to play by your personal rules. For me the original meme is exagerrating historic events (I already explained why) in order to make a simple point “Don’t believe in left unity and be wary of tankies”. This is the part I agree with. And before you ask, I don’t have to justify myself to anyone, especially when they’re typical condescending MLs.
I left the comments open so y’all can counter all the claims in the meme in as much depth you want. I literally gave you full platform access. Y’all prefer to use it to shitpost instead 🤷
[Picture of people being massacred in a pool of their own blood] — “modern online MLs will do this to you in the future if you believe their lies, do not trust them!”
it’s all in good fun though, right tankies I would totally organize with in real life?
Oh, of course you’re not. That’s why you’re derailing threads by accusing everyone of sealioning, because you’re not mad at them at all. That’s why you posted your shitty wrecker memes in the first place, because you’re totally rational and calm.
…you realise we’re multiple people, right? Like the usernames tell you who’s responding to you. You shouldn’t find it confusing unless you’re also confused when people on your instance have different views and attitudes.
Like you’ve literally been told over and over that Hexbear is a left unity instance and has people of a range of socialist ideologies - why would it surprise you that we’re not monolithic in our behaviour?
You literally came into my thread and started insulting me to third parties, baby. Don’t act all huffy when you take what you give.
You’re clearly angry because I didn’t engage with your sealioning. Take a break. Not everyone owes you attention.
You made a post calling us all out wtf did you expect.
Hold on minut! checks notes I thought you were an anarchist!
Yes this post is aimed at the instance I am on and you mischaracterize ld the heat you got from that meme only coming from “tankies” please grow up.
The meme was also racist as fuck
who broadcast a meme to all of lemmy arguing that modern MLs are treacherous murderers who must be defeated in real life?
Not quite what the meme said, and also, it’s a meme. For people frequently chanting about death to various things, y’all are surprisingly literal.
You can’t use this cop-out like it’s a joke whenever it’s rhetorically convenient for you, especially when you said in the comments that you completely meant it.
[Yes, I was baited again despite earlier doing the healthy thing of disengaging, that much is not on you]
Yes I did mean not to trust tankies.
Then what the fuck do you say “it’s a meme” for? What useful information does that convey? Because clearly you’re serious about it and have been told that that response comes off as you saying “it’s just a joke bro”
Look mate, “it’s a meme” means it’s not going to be particularly nuanced in its criticism. It’s meant to ellicit cheap laughs through simplifying some parts. Y’all have a brain, you can certainly see which parts are exagerrated for these purposes. Your comrades were certainly capable of starting nuanced discussions about Catalonia based on this understanding.
Honestly, I think you are all playing dumb in order to get some gotchas.
I have no interest in gotchas, what I am seeking is a clear and consistent position. Obviously others who know more about the Spanish Civil War know that it’s depiction of Stalin as killing anarchists rather than merely supplying them with 75% of their tanks and no more is a wild misrepresentation, and you still have yet to clarify who the “intellectuals” in Mao’s case even refer to.
My further point is that this bizarre blanket characterization of MLs as butchers, including of people that they did nothing but help, is gross historical revisionism pandering to the preconceptions of people who frankly have next to zero historical understanding when it comes to the groups it refers to. It is in fact poor conduct to stand by such a message whether it is “just a meme” or communicated by any other medium, just as I am very careful to limit my accusations of, say, Nestor Makhno only to what the most sympathetic of biographers admit of him (since I personally do not know about the proof of other claims).
I don’t particularly have to play by your personal rules. For me the original meme is exagerrating historic events (I already explained why) in order to make a simple point “Don’t believe in left unity and be wary of tankies”. This is the part I agree with. And before you ask, I don’t have to justify myself to anyone, especially when they’re typical condescending MLs.
I left the comments open so y’all can counter all the claims in the meme in as much depth you want. I literally gave you full platform access. Y’all prefer to use it to shitpost instead 🤷
[Picture of people being massacred in a pool of their own blood] — “modern online MLs will do this to you in the future if you believe their lies, do not trust them!”
it’s all in good fun though, right tankies I would totally organize with in real life?
He thinks the death to america posts aren’t literal
And yet you keep giving it.
In my own terms, sure
You’re so fucking cool
You literally started a discussion in a public forum. You don’t get to be offended people in the forum engaged with it.
I’m not. Hell, I left the forum open for y’all to shitpost to your heart’s content!
Oh, of course you’re not. That’s why you’re derailing threads by accusing everyone of sealioning, because you’re not mad at them at all. That’s why you posted your shitty wrecker memes in the first place, because you’re totally rational and calm.
Absolutely fucking childish.
I’ll never emotionally recover from this
As I said before: try responding to what I said instead of getting a sick burn in to show to your friends.
Lol y’all don’t know what you want. Half of you want to shut me up. Half of you want serious discussions. I’m getting mixed signals, mate!
…you realise we’re multiple people, right? Like the usernames tell you who’s responding to you. You shouldn’t find it confusing unless you’re also confused when people on your instance have different views and attitudes.
Like you’ve literally been told over and over that Hexbear is a left unity instance and has people of a range of socialist ideologies - why would it surprise you that we’re not monolithic in our behaviour?
Disengage