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remember when there used to be all these articles about how people in europe live longer than americans because they drink red wine and eat more olive oil or bullshit like that? turns out it was universal healthcare the whole time
It’s only universal healthcare when it’s made from the Universalis Healthcarus region of France, otherwise it’s just sparkling medicine.
l’huile de serpent, if you want.
You should sell that!
walkability might also be a factor
And diet and work safety and income distribution and the list goes on I’m sure
Plus the red wine and olive oil
Or maybe it’s because they study and ban food additives beyond finding the dose that causes immediate symptoms and don’t put an extremely strong industrial waste products in their drinking water (turns out the crap they put in the drinking water was poisoning the land when they dumped it in the rivers, and has been pretty convincingly linked to ovarian cysts and low testosterone while doing nothing for our teeth). Or maybe it’s just because they have better social cohesion and stronger worker protections.
But probably just the olive oil and red wine. And hey, all that stuff is complicated… Why not just buy the fancy expensive liquids at the grocery store? If you pay enough and do your research, you can even get olive oil that is legal to sell over there!
strong industrial waste products in their drinking water (turns out the crap they put in the drinking water was poisoning the land when they dumped it in the rivers, and has been pretty convincingly linked to ovarian cysts and low testosterone while doing nothing for our teeth
Chemicals in the water turning frogs gay lmao
It’s banned in the EU and Japan. Their dental outcomes are the same over the same period, and guess what we have more of?
Fluoride in toothpaste isn’t the same as what they dump in the drinking water, molecules matter.
One of those is a medical product lethal if you drink a bottle of it, the other is a hazardous material that you need training and PPE to handle
Obviously
We also don’t have 500 school shootings each year. At some point that has to have an impact on those stats.
Even if you don’t take these deaths into account, this does something to the mental health I’m sure
Owning horses makes you live longer too. Or maybe it’s that only rich people own horses? Does putting the olive oil on the horses help at all? I’m down to try anything at this point.
I’d be interested if anyone has ferreted out if that does make you live longer once adjusted for income. On the one hand you get a bunch of physical exercise and emotional bonding caring for the animal (moving hay, moving water, moving the horse, moving manure, etc.) which I suspect would still improve life expectancy. On the other hand I know plenty of folks who have been killed or ended up with serious spinal injuries due to riding accidents.
On the other hand I know plenty of folks who have been killed or ended up with serious spinal injuries due to riding accidents.
Owning, not actually riding.
On the one hand you get a bunch of physical exercise and emotional bonding caring for the animal
I see you have only met one subset of people who own horses.
We call them horse poor.
I’m pretty sure the horses are supposed to put the olive oil on you, actually.
Classic “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”
Ur trying to live longer? I’m trying to speed run this shit, I’m gonna start smoking again when I’m 50.
“If an effect can be explained by socioeconomic status, it’s probably that rather than the thing that you’re measuring.”
I mean this isn’t quite the effect of socioeconomic status as much as it is the effect of removing socioeconomic status from the equation.
So actually yeah it sort of is.
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The industrialists were happy during the Great Depression and resented the New Deal. The US was always about preserving polarized power structures, just with extra obfuscating steps.
Spoiler: The same is true in Europe, but they have been smarter, possibly from centuries more experience they know the peons will only take so much bullshit.
possibly from centuries more experience they know the peons will only take so much bullshit.
Like we don’t share the same history? We came from over there once. I think part of our problem is that too many of us ignore history that didn’t happen on our soil, like it’s irrelevant to us even though it isn’t.
US history as it is taught in US schools is rather hagiographic, suggesting at most we borrowed a few ideas (e.g. the two-house congress), but otherwise were dismissing all that was feudalism. Even our elected officials dressed as officials and not as aristocracy.
So yeah, we also discarded a notion from classic peonage that serfs belonged to the land. Rather we had slaves and waged workers (not that we treated them particularly well.) The American Dream before the California gold rush was an honest day’s work for an honest day’s pay and we were crap at that even then.
I don’t think it’s a cultural effect, I think it’s about power and wealth. As in, the US has more power and wealth at its disposal, so capitalists gain more by corrupting their government than they would other governments. So they spend more money and effort corrupting that place and it gets worse. It is slowly collapsing as the corruption gets worse, I’d say this is a large part of why any centralised power structure collapses - the corruption rots its core until it can no longer sustain itself.
So it’s basically “power corrupts” but on a governmental level rather than an individual one.
So eat the rich? Got it. If more people would understand society as a class struggle, maybe we would get somewhere.
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Or maybe they literally blew up their whole continent and got to start over again after learning how shit worked.
Europe is old, but their current governments and infrastructure isn’t.
Universal healthcare and red wine, you savages.
Nope. Turns out that people who can afford to relax with a glass of red wine were just in better health due to various socioeconomic factors rather than the wine itself.
Feel like you’ve never spent time in southern Europe, friend.
Where people are also healthier because of factors unrelated to drinking red wine.
European centenarian hotspots are not located in the richest parts of Europe.
The studies that postulated health benefits of wine weren’t either. Correlation doesn’t equal causation and the mistaken belief that wine makes you live longer is a classic example of mistaking the two.
Congratulations, you’ve taken a flippant, light-hearted, comment and turned it into a debate about the veracity of cause/correlation whilst demonstrating some wonderful contrarianism.
Here, have a fake internet point for your trouble.
Wine may or may not increase life expectancy, but stress and anger have been shown to have negative long term health implications. Lighten up a bit, and try not to take the internet too seriously.
no, it turns out that political biases in the US are walls in the brains of either political leaning.
Look at the studies that concluded that moderate exercise, saturated fats, and red wine were contributing factors to the longevity and you’ll see that they did account for the socieconomic status and access to the healthcare. Everything else would’ve been a really, really bad study. Which you suggest it was without ever even looking it up.
But nevermind, maybe you could do a simple back-of-the-envelope analysis: southern/mideterranian Europe is where people live longest. Yet their GDP per Capita is like half of a representative northern countr. And their healthcare system is absolutely garbage in comparison as well. And yet they still live longer on average.
But, no, please, I’m sorry, I’m probably fascist for saying that, I probably vote for Trump and whatever other explanation your brain can find to not realize you’re wrong.
– Eurobro. (but absolutely would vote for Trump, he’d make Europe great again, trust me).
Did anyone seriously believe Americans would be healthier if they consumed more refined fat and alcohol?
I mean people also believed in that food pyramid.
A lot still do.
Visit literally any Dietician, Nutritionist, or Personal Trainer.
Or phrenologist.
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What do you believe in instead the food rectangle? ‘/!s’ (not satire/sarcasm)
I prefer the Cob Shape these days which includes Corn in every serving, or every meal, forever.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/06/how-the-us-became-a-global-corn-superpower-.html
Swag like ohio
Well red wine has antioxidants l. And that’s enough syllables to make most people stop paying attention.
Europeans especially Mediterraneans do tend have a better diet and life expectancy than Americans and even the rest of Europe
Damn, they are onto us.
Source? I mean it sounds plausible, but universial healthcare is hardly the only difference between USA and e.g. Italy. Red wine and olive oil are probably not the main culprit, but lifestyle generally plays a very large role. e.g. compare Italy’s obesity rate with that of the USA, or even most other european countries. The wealthier european countries (including Italy) also have way fewer hours worked per capita than the USA.
If you don’t have to work 40+ hours a week at a job to make sure they don’t fire you to and lose your health insurance and possibly bankrupt your family then you get to have a better work-life balance.
Yea healthcare is not just going to the doctor for free. It starts in school and includes a healthy work life balance and and an environment you feel well in.
Or getting your doctor say (tho way more nicely): “Some of your conditions may be caused by being fat. Please go to this public-healthcare-funded dietary assistant that will create an individual dietary plan for you”.
Lost 20kg in the months following it and stayed at the lower end of the “slightly overweight” area since 2 years.
I’m in no way a healthy person, but I would be way less healthy without public Healthcare. And probably wouldn’t be a net positive to the economy as well.
And in an economic view: If I would not have received Healthcare when I was broke and homeless I wouldn’t have been able to pay more in taxes and back into public healthcare in the last two years than I have ever received in my life before.
I thought they blew this all up by just doing a simple correlation of the amount of time spent walking vs health. So instead of walking to your driveway, you walk to the bus stop… etc.
In case y’all were curious
Where legend? What do colours mean?
it shows the rest of the world literally sucking the life out of africa
So much for the blessed rains down in Africa.
blessed rains down in Africa
turned into raining bullets down Congo 🤢 🤮
Deeper green good, deeper red bad.
So what makes Chile so awesome?
It’s the voodoo
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Australia’s presence in it is the ultimate proof, a history of conservative governments whose only difference is universal healthcare, and even with all the deadly wildlife out to get them.
ITT: American pseudo-intellectuals showing they neither have read the study, nor are aware of income differences within Europe.
I have pretty good insurance and I really should go to the doctor, but I’ll have to pay 2 grand out of pocket before the insurance covers everything. It resets in January so I’m going to wait.
Well yes, they have to come up with a spin in order to make sure people aren’t attributing these lifespan increases to socialism. Otherwise peasants might get rights, and we don’t want that do we?
You could have both
Wait, what if olive oil and red wine was the carrots give good eyesight story of the recent times?
