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    So where are we at right now?

    “We didn’t bomb the hospital, Hamas did. And even if we bombed the hospital, Hamas used it as a base. And even if they didn’t, a some of them were in there. And even if they weren’t, there were Hamas tunnels under the hospital.”

    I wonder what’s next

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      “The civilians there deserved to be bombed because they supported Hamas”

      Wait, didn’t we do that one already?

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        They were enemy combatants because they were within bombing radius of an enemy combatant. That was the American logic in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to print more humane-looking civilian casualty numbers

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      Note that this article mentions the “Hamad bin Khalifa” hospital.

      The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the “al-Shifa” hospital there is a Hamas base

      They’re two different hospitals

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        Now that Israel is openly bombing hospitals I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume they lied about the al-Shifa hospital. oop it was Al-Ahli hospital I can’t keep all of these atrocities straight!

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      We didn’t bomb the hospital, Hamas did

      We are here still, because to my knowledge no evidence of the “people in the parking lot” bombing being from Israel has come around and most traits of the explosion point to it being a Hamas rocket.

      Even this article doesn’t say anything about evidence to the contrary coming forward.

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        You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. The hospital you’re referring to is Al-Ahli Arab Hospital. And the “rocket” from the footage you’re referring to has been proven to have been an Iron Dome projectile.

        Israel has also attacked Al-Shifa hospital, Al-Quds hospital, the Indonesian hospital, the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship hospital, and the Qatari hospital described in the article.

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          Yeah they’ve bombed so many hospitals its hard to keep them straight. It’s incredible that Zionists are still bothering to deny it.

          Though I’m pretty sure the parking lot explosion was at the al-Shifa hospital.

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            No, Al-Shifa was where Israel attacked the ambulance convoy and destroyed the hospital’s solar panels.

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                It feels like they bombed every hospital because they had intel about one hamas base being under/near one hospital…

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          Israel also owns up to all of those. The original commenter is intentionally misleading by calling back to the one that was actually denied.

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              Israel has been very plain about saying they did it in the vast majority of cases. The only major hospital incident I’m aware of that they have denied is the one that appears to have been from the Palestinians.

              This article is literally citing the reason Israel gave as justification.

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    There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Tantura in 1948

    There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Khan Yunis in 1956

    Israel never needed an excuse they just need a lie to sell to the rest of the world now that everyone is watching

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    I wonder how quick world leaders will backtrack their support for genocide once more misinformation is disproven…

    My bet is that we will be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time

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      It’s nuts to me how there was a recent poll showing Biden taking a hit in swing states, presumably because of the wide and unprecedented public support for Palestinian freedom, and how the reaction among some liberals is turning in to, “Biden’s support for genocide is bad now because Trump could win again.” Criticizing the US supporting the genocide, through the spectacle of partisan politics, turns in to, “this is how you get another Trump victory.” Instead of vocalizing the disapproval, it’s like “don’t say anything because it could help Trump.”

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        Cue some liberals telling us “tough shit, vote for Biden anyway” You’re right talking about it in a partisan lens is a huge problem. The government is meant to represent us, all we should need to do is make sure they know how we feel.

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    The video apparently states that this info is 8 years old and doesn’t really prove either way, whether hamas was digging tunnels under the hospital.

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      You… You get out of here with your ‘reading’ and ‘common sense’ and and ‘considered opinions’! Heathen!

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      There have been plenty of Isreali politicians and military people openly saying they are punishing the people of Gaza and want to ethnically cleanse the place.

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    I genuinely don’t care about Hamas anymore, they’re symptoms of a greater evil, Israel is directly responsible for the radicalization of those people, because of the horrific conditions Palestinians are put in.

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      One side is right and the other is wrong… I suppose nobody considered this possibility and the answer was in front of us all this time. Looks like we found the key to fixing the Middle East. Well done!

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      Hmmm they go from one country to another trying to take over the government that let them in. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi wont let them in either… wonder who that can be ??? s/

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    However, Sanad’s investigation shows that this is simply the access hatch for a water reservoir that the hospital uses to fill therapeutic pools for amputees, water the grounds, and a reserve water source in case of emergency.

    Sanad analysed satellite footage and archives of the hospital’s construction and spoke to one of the original engineers who built it.

    It’s pretty in depth.

    However I have two problems with this logic.

    1. Israel did not confirm the existence of tunnels at that location, which would have been an easy thing to do with a camera and 2 minutes.

    2. This isn’t exactly proof that those areas weren’t repurposed for tunnels. Just that what Israel thought was a tunnel was not. Which is more of a problem of how the Israel military is assuming too much and bombing people in the process. While processing their assumptions like fact.

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    Where’s the video of the IDF or Netanyahu going over a 3D rendering of a hospital to explain how the Hamas tunnels may be underneath key infrastructure buildings?

    The propaganda coming out of the IDF justifying their next move is always so insanrly ridiculous. But I guess if there’s now videos coming out of how and where these tunnels are, the IDF might find some more accuracy in their violence.

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    Note that this article mentions the “Hamad bin Khalifa” hospital.

    The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the “al-Shifa” hospital there is a Hamas base.

    They’re two different hospitals.

    In other words, it is so far uncontested that there is a Hamas base under the al-Shifa hospital (which is the main hospital in Gaza).

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          When terrorists take hostages, you don’t bomb the building and kill all of the hostages because it also kills the terrorists.

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          I think I can safely say Hamas doesn’t care what anyone on reddit or lemmy thinks.

          You’d think that at some point the Palestinian population would get rid of the only real existential threat they can get rid of.

          “you can’t get rid of the american-funded war machine murdering you, so get rid of the only people fighting back so we kill you more slowly”

          You people make me sick.

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              Ask for a UN peacekeeping force.

              It’s not a hard solution, go in with surgical precision instead.

              FFS, at this point it is obvious they don’t give a shit about the hostages, find a tunnel and start pumping a stoichiometric ratio of something and light a match.

              That has to be better than killing all the civilians they are bombing, starving, and all the other ways their not allowing aid in.

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              I can’t with the Obama pfp and the rationalizing collective punishment and indiscriminate slaughter, it’s just too perfect.

              I literally don’t care what you have to say dronie

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                  Given a terrorist straps babies onto their bodies and begins attacking people. Is it morally wrong to stop the terrorist with force or will anything to stop him from massacring people is a war crime?

                  officer, you need to get better material you’re literally paraphrasing a comic villain for some dumbass thought experiment instead of actual reality. -that reality being that the european settler state holds all the cards and you’re victim blaming the people resisting.

                  you would literally defend anything though because you’re either getting paid to push this shit ignorantly or are someone who belongs at the bottom of a pit.

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          If hamas had a secret tunnel under an Israeli hospital they would surgically remove it, not bomg the hospital.

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      The World: Hey you may have committed a war crime.

      Your Response: It’s okay though, nobody can prove we committed a war crime in this other location!

      What is wrong with you?

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    I am so glad this got posted here so we can have a discussion about it after it was locked on Lemmy World.