Iā€™m not talking about stuff like Oā€™Brienā€™s hollow rank pip, Iā€™m talking about stuff like ā€œWhy make Chakotay a lt. commander rather than a full commander?ā€

It seems like there was at least some forethought put into who has what rank, but itā€™s not clear to me how much thought, nor how much meaning was supposed to be baked in to those decisions.

For example, Dr Crusher was a full commander from Day 1, matched only by Riker on the main cast. Was that supposed to signify the authority afforded to the CMO? Was it supposed to be blatant enough for the audience to ā€œgetā€ it?

One of the most prominent examples is Sisko starting his series as a commander. Again ā€” was that supposed to signify that he was more junior, a younger officer?

Behind the scenes, I wonder if we can trace a waxing and waning military influence in the writers room over the years. I know Roddenberry served, and I think some of the early TNG writers did as well. But I feel like that became less common in later series? (But I donā€™t know for sure.)

I think itā€™s striking that rank is significantly downplayed on DSC, except for Burnham and potentially Saru.

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    ā€œWhy make Chakotay a lt. commander rather than a full commander?ā€

    Even after all these years, Iā€™m not convinced that they did.

    Iā€™ll note upfront that I know his provisional rank insignia was that of Lt. Commander, and I know that itā€™s common practice to refer to a Lt. Commander as simply ā€œcommanderā€. Data, Worf, and Tuvok were regularly referred to as simply ā€œCommanderā€. I fully understand this. But the thing is that these other officers were introduced, or introduced themselves, in formal situations by their full rank on more than one occasion. When the plot called for their personnel files to appear on screen, their full ranks were displayed with their name as ā€œLt. Commanderā€.

    Chakotay was never, not even once, referred to out loud or in text as ā€œLieutenant Commanderā€.

    From a Doylist perspective, Iā€™m of the mind that the writers intended for Chakotay to be a full Commander, the same rank as Riker or early-DS9 Sisko, but the costume department goofed and it was simply never corrected ā€” because on the screens of the era, it didnā€™t really matter because whoā€™s gonna look that closely at the guyā€™s neck?

    A possible Watsonian explanation is that while he was granted the rank of Lt. Commander provisionally (the rank he held prior to his resignation from Starfleet as well as the rank held by Janewayā€™s original XO), he was also given the rank of Acting Commanderā€¦ as a courtesy, maybe? Or maybe Starfleet regulations prevented Janeway from granting any provisional ranks higher than Lt. Commander because thatā€™s the rank her XO held. Compare this situation to Wesley Crusher, who was granted the rank of Acting Ensign but never wore a rank insignia because Starfleet never gave him one. So Janeway could formally grant Chakotay the rank (and the accompanying rank insignia) of Lieutenant Commander in the field, then found a loophole somewhere in the regulations that allowed him to introduce himself formally as Commander.

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      This is an excellent analysis. And you are totally right about Chakotay: he is never ever referred to as ā€œLieutenant Commanderā€. I like your Watsonian explanation! Thatā€™s a really interesting take.

      Of course, this is also the show that was bizarrely inconsistent with Tuvokā€™s rank. Interestingly, between Kes, Neelix, the Doctor, and Seven, I think VGR may have had the most rankless characters of any series up to that point. I suppose DS9 could be tied, since VGR only had three rankless characters at once, as did DS9 (Quark, Odo, Jake).

      But yeah ā€“ I wonder if this reflects a larger trend. ENT definitely leaned on simplified ranks as well ā€“ instead of the TNG-era 7-rank scale, we only ever see four on ENT: Captain, Commander, Lieutenant, and Ensign. (Itā€™s not clear to me that the costume department even designed a ā€œhollow pipā€ for the ENT uniforms.) Under that analysis, we see a gradual trend toward de-emphasizing rank, from DS9 to VGR to ENT to DSC to PIC & PRO (though not LDS).

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      because on the screens of the era, it didnā€™t really matter because whoā€™s gonna look that closely at the guyā€™s neck?

      Maybe I was a weird kid but I was keenly aware of the pips on the uniforms after the point in TNG where they vaguely explain how the rank insignia pips work. It was never for any particular reason except to know another ā€œthingā€ about my favorite characters.

      Thatā€™s not to say that youā€™re wrong, maybe thatā€™s what they told themselves when they didnā€™t change it! But if so they definitely underestimated some fans, lol