Why is it that Americans refer to 24 hour time as military time? I understand that the military uses the 24hr format but I don’t understand why the general public would refer to it like that?

It makes it seem like it’s a foreign concept where as in a lot of countries it’s the norm.

  • Nemo Wuming@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    In the US, the 12-hour clock format is in widespread use, except in the military. That is why it’s called like that.

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      11 months ago

      It’s interesting that it’s not as widespread amongst the public.As far as I know, the rest of the world either uses it or is able to understand it whereas I’ve had the opposite with Americans. I’m a very limited sample size though.

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        11 months ago

        Americans understand it just fine.

        Just like I understand what a meter is, but in real life, I would NEVER use the meter as a unit of measurement.

        Yeah, I know metric is the better system, I agree. This isn’t about that. It’s about saying something and not making the listener take a moment to convert it into how they relate to the world.

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        11 months ago

        Look up the “theory of American exceptionalism”. In short there is a very strong belief here that America is one of a kind and things that may work for others simply don’t apply here.

        Explains why the US stocks a 12hr clock, messed up month/day/year mission, imperial measurement and a ton of other things that any foreigner will find anywhere from quirky to infuriating.

        IMHO the exceptionalism theory is a b.s. lazy way of keeping things conservative and unchanged and shutting down any discussion of uncomfortable progress.

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          11 months ago

          US and international date standards all suck : ISO8601 on the other hand is beautiful

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          11 months ago

          There was a theory I read at one point, that for the life of me I can’t remember the name of, that basically described a generalized form of exceptionalism, but for different categories.

          Basically, the “most something” countries in any particular category are going to have exceptional circumstances that make what other countries do not always apply.

          India, having the largest population, faces demographic problems that solutions that work in the Netherlands just can’t address.
          Same with Russian transportation infrastructure, and ultimately American economic issues.

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          11 months ago

          “American Exceptionalism” also known as “Europeans are obsessed with America and can’t understand why American’s don’t follow their orders, meanwhile the Danes count like Barbarians and the UK hasn’t picked a system”

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            11 months ago

            I could give a shit about following orders, it’s a lot easier dealing with international business/trade/politics.

            If everyone is on the same page, things are easier. I like the metric system. I’m a mechanic and my life is often hell because of the differences.

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              11 months ago

              On the english-speaking internet? Pretty much, plus the Aussies and Canadians.

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            11 months ago

            You can make a “I hate you so much” “I don’t think about you at all” meme out of it if you want, but the fact is that American media, most notably Hollywood has an immense cultural impact in the western world. People are often confronted with the weird system that Americans use, but not the other way round, let alone come across something like the danish numbering system. It’s less obsession and more unpleasant regular occurances that lead to such strong opinions about the American system.

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              11 months ago

              Well then make your own movies and shows then. Im not really seeing the problem.

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                11 months ago

                We are, and plenty of em.

                They just aren’t in English.

                So if we look for English content, we encounter fantasy metrics where you guys measure in the feet of a long dead king, and the idiotic AM/PM system that goes from 11 AM to 12 PM and then to 1 PM.

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                  11 months ago

                  Why are you so obsessed with what Americans use for measurements? They aren’t forcing or even asking you to use it

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                  11 months ago

                  Ok, then why blame us? “Oh no. Someone put up a sign for burgers and when I went inside, they had burgers! Im going to blame them!”

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                  11 months ago

                  Also, plenty of countries use both 12 hour and 24 hour time. Its not hard.

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        11 months ago

        It’s standard in Canada as well. I prefer 24hr personally. There were a couple times where I’ve napped in the evening, and woke up thinking I was late for work in the morning. Not fun. 24hr clock solves that. Plus it just makes more sense to me than 12hr clocks.

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          It’s definitely not standard in Canada. I wish it was. Every time I buy something, I have to figure out how to swap it to 24h mode.

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          It’s veeeeery not standard in Canada. I use it on my phone and most people who see it on the lockscreen treat me like I’m an alien, and it’s about a 50/50 mix of people who simply think 24 hour time is weird (but at least recognize it) vs. people who seem genuinely baffled by the digits they see appearing on my phone and don’t even seem to recognize it as a time at all.

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        11 months ago

        I live in the US and I’ve never met someone who isn’t able to understand it. They might need to convert it in their heads to compare it with other times.

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        11 months ago

        You’d think 24 hour watches would be more common than they are especially among European watches.

        My kid had the hardest time reading a 12 hour clock. I think am/pm is too abstract for young kids. 24 hour makes more intuitive sense. The number resets only at the end of the day.

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        11 months ago

        As far as I know the Japanese use it aswell. I learned 午後 and 午前 as vocab at least. (Am and pm)

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        There is a cultural phenomenon called schismogenesis - the tendency for one culture to define itself by how it differs from other cultures around it. Even in cases where the culture Y approach is “better” by whatever metric, culture X people will reject it because it’s a Y thing and not an X thing. I see the US rejection of the metric system under Reagan being the most glaringly obvious example of this, but the time thing is probably part of it, too.

        I just really wish we hadn’t gone with the whole base 60 system in the first place.

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        11 months ago

        Adding on to that most civilians are only exposed to 24 hr time in a field that was either organizationally based off of the military such as police or emergency medicine or in fields where it’s important to have precise time keeping like hospitals