If you don’t see value in ownership, then yeah, you “saved” money. But that’s on you.
You’re also missing the part where they’re undercharging for the service in order to increase adoption, after which they will turn up the costs. So enjoy it while you can.
Sooo currently they are saving money playing multiple games that they most likely won’t replay in the future anyway.
Why the hostility if it’s a good deal for them? Just to own a game on the tiniest chance you’ll play it later? Or just rent till you find a game you like and will play multiple times, buy to own it and also play multiple other games on the pass.
This sounds so slippery slope hypothetical, but this is exactly what Adobe did with Photoshop, Lightroom, and more, which shows that this is actually happening right now.
I don’t think Microsoft will do so, at least in the foreseeable future. One of their selling points to devs is that they’ll see their sales go up in addition to the GP revenue. There would be a lot of publishers who would pull out if they can’t sell their game and have it on GP.
They might do it for their own games, but even that could be a stretch. Starfield saw huge sales on both Xbox and PC in addition to those who are using GamePass.
Sure. Until everyone buying up the game results in $200 copies for a 5 hour game since there are no alternatives and everyone was enabling it by buying bad games.
Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. There is no evidence of rent only games comming anytime soon, it’s just doomsaying.
Yeah it is, you have no proof of the “rent only” future you are doomsaying about. Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn’t led to the “rent only” situation, quite the opposite.
Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn’t led to the “rent only” situation, quite the opposite.
WAT? Is there some sort of massive increase in people buying blu-rays or something that I’m unaware of?
This has LITERALLY become our reality with movies. It’s not something far off in the future, it IS TODAY. Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies…
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the “rent only” future is comming and that people should “just buy the game” instead of going for gamepass. I don’t have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you.
If you don’t see value in ownership, then yeah, you “saved” money. But that’s on you.
There is little value in owning a game that you will never play again after the initial play-though, so if you get to play the game for less than it would have cost to buy, then yeah, money was “saved”. That’s why people are happy to pay for streaming services where they can watch content for significantly less money than if they went out and bought DVDs of all the movies/shows that they very likely will never watch again.
You’re also missing the part where they’re undercharging for the service in order to increase adoption, after which they will turn up the costs.
Do you really think people paying for Game Pass are unaware of the monthly cost?
I remember a day when that list was 100x longer. Microsoft is currently in the process of trying to buy Nintendo, they’ve said so in court documents that have been uncovered.
So you’re just fine with corporate conglomeration where Microsoft turns into the publisher for all US games, kind of like Tencent in China…
Microsoft is not in the process of trying to buy Nintendo. Did they discuss it? Yes, obviously, any company would be idiotic to not at least discuss things like opportunities from purchasing competitors, but I read the emails, at no point did they even sound like it was something they were “trying” to do.
As a matter of fact, and this is just conjecture from me, but to me it read it like, somebody not in the gaming space emailed Phil about wouldn’t it be great to buy Nintendo and Phil’s response to me read like someone who got a suggestion from a boss that’s a dumb suggestion, they know it’s a dumb suggestion, but they need to be courteous in their response by entertaining the idea.
You…linked me some advertising site that uses a stock image in order to try to sell you access to their data? …How dense… you know what, nevermind. You totally win! You got me! LOLOL
I don’t know why you think that’s funny. Guy gives you data, you just laugh and present zero counter-information. The video game publishing world seems to be booming:
The number of video game software publishing businesses in the United States has been increasing in the last decade, peaking at 28,052 businesses in 2023 after a dip between 2017 and 2020. In 2022, there will be an estimated 25 thousand U.S. video game software publishing businesses.
If you don’t see value in ownership, then yeah, you “saved” money. But that’s on you.
You’re also missing the part where they’re undercharging for the service in order to increase adoption, after which they will turn up the costs. So enjoy it while you can.
Sooo currently they are saving money playing multiple games that they most likely won’t replay in the future anyway.
Why the hostility if it’s a good deal for them? Just to own a game on the tiniest chance you’ll play it later? Or just rent till you find a game you like and will play multiple times, buy to own it and also play multiple other games on the pass.
Sure. Until you can’t own games anymore because of everyone enabling these companies.
This sounds so slippery slope hypothetical, but this is exactly what Adobe did with Photoshop, Lightroom, and more, which shows that this is actually happening right now.
I don’t think Microsoft will do so, at least in the foreseeable future. One of their selling points to devs is that they’ll see their sales go up in addition to the GP revenue. There would be a lot of publishers who would pull out if they can’t sell their game and have it on GP.
They might do it for their own games, but even that could be a stretch. Starfield saw huge sales on both Xbox and PC in addition to those who are using GamePass.
Sure. Until everyone buying up the game results in $200 copies for a 5 hour game since there are no alternatives and everyone was enabling it by buying bad games.
Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. There is no evidence of rent only games comming anytime soon, it’s just doomsaying.
It isn’t doomsaying.
Yeah it is, you have no proof of the “rent only” future you are doomsaying about. Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn’t led to the “rent only” situation, quite the opposite.
WAT? Is there some sort of massive increase in people buying blu-rays or something that I’m unaware of?
This has LITERALLY become our reality with movies. It’s not something far off in the future, it IS TODAY. Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies…
What do you mean they have to? DVDs and CDs are still being sold. It turns out that people simply prefer the convenience of online media services.
No, it isn’t, you have no proof of the “no rent only” future you’re so sure is waiting for us.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the “rent only” future is comming and that people should “just buy the game” instead of going for gamepass. I don’t have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you.
2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you’re still here screaming “Slippery slope fallacy!”…
Yet we’ve shown you existing markets which are already there. We’ve already provided the proof.
There is little value in owning a game that you will never play again after the initial play-though, so if you get to play the game for less than it would have cost to buy, then yeah, money was “saved”. That’s why people are happy to pay for streaming services where they can watch content for significantly less money than if they went out and bought DVDs of all the movies/shows that they very likely will never watch again.
Do you really think people paying for Game Pass are unaware of the monthly cost?
Great, you can unsubscribe and just buy the games you want at that point.
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I remember a day when that list was 100x longer. Microsoft is currently in the process of trying to buy Nintendo, they’ve said so in court documents that have been uncovered.
So you’re just fine with corporate conglomeration where Microsoft turns into the publisher for all US games, kind of like Tencent in China…
Microsoft is not in the process of trying to buy Nintendo. Did they discuss it? Yes, obviously, any company would be idiotic to not at least discuss things like opportunities from purchasing competitors, but I read the emails, at no point did they even sound like it was something they were “trying” to do.
As a matter of fact, and this is just conjecture from me, but to me it read it like, somebody not in the gaming space emailed Phil about wouldn’t it be great to buy Nintendo and Phil’s response to me read like someone who got a suggestion from a boss that’s a dumb suggestion, they know it’s a dumb suggestion, but they need to be courteous in their response by entertaining the idea.
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You…linked me some advertising site that uses a stock image in order to try to sell you access to their data? …How dense… you know what, nevermind. You totally win! You got me! LOLOL
I don’t know why you think that’s funny. Guy gives you data, you just laugh and present zero counter-information. The video game publishing world seems to be booming:
There’s no data at that link. There are some stock images of some graphs and a sales pitch. Did you even look at it?
https://i.imgur.com/Dp0Izlb.png