In a video on Oct. 13, Instagram influencer and photojournalist Motaz Azaiza shared footage of the rubble of an apartment, the site of an Israeli bombardment that killed 15 of his family members.
He turns the camera on himself first, visibly upset, and then shows the scene—the ruin of the building, a bloodstain, a neighbor carrying a child’s body draped with a shroud.
In response, Meta restricted access to his account.
I mentioned, for example, the location of the massacres: The side streets. And the people massacred weren’t students. I said that the protest was dissolved by threat of violence, not violence. I didn’t really get into the struggle inside the party of how to deal with the protest but I did mention the outcome.
Are those things correct, yes or no? Is it some “soylent koolaid BS I have been fed”? It may not please your tankie sensibilities but it’s definitely not the “Army rolled over students” line that became a urban myth in the west. This here sums up the press failure quite well, but it would also be mistaken to call it a deliberate propaganda move – those things just happen. It’s carelessness, and China being the authoritarian state it is and constantly denying anything even remotely untowards happened that day in Peking isn’t exactly helping correcting the record.
Fuck no I’m not a historian. But, again: You actually have to tell me what I supposedly got wrong before I could remedy that issue. Are you here to talk to me and possibly educate, or to shout?
I’m trying to figure out what difference it even makes who was killed and where. It’s not like the Tank Man footage was faked. And everyone clearly accepts that the Chinese government massacred its own people to stop an uprising.
Man, I am reminded of how much I hate humanity. Governments like theirs is the default everywhere.
It makes a difference when there are people actively trying to deny anyone died, period.
No one is doing that though, at least not here in the thread. Unless a new tankie popped in somewhere and I didn’t see.
What kind of massacre exactly happened? It is clear you did not read any of what I shared, and I will not point out why, because your opinions are going to default to an “anti-tankie” stance everytime, which just sounds to me like a thinly veiled pro-CIA stance of how things happened in Tiananmen.
I gave all the material, and this discussion ends here. I am not interested in talking to ignoramuses that will go to lengths to not listen to others, and justify their half knowledge positions on historical matters by hook or crook.
The army gunned down mostly workers, Peking locals, who tried to stop them from advancing to the square by blockading the streets. More or less the same people who had previously handed out noodles to the troops to have an opportunity to tell them that those are Dengist students wanting some more reform, their sons and daughters, not violent reactionaries, to make sure that what the party hardliners told the army wasn’t the only thing the soldiers knew. Which was a good thing because if the soldiers hadn’t known they probably would not have reacted with as much restraint – but they still followed orders and advanced to the square, leaving corpses in their wake.
The official party line is still, more or less, “If we hadn’t cracked down there would have been murder and rampage” – nope. The violence happened because significant parts of the party wanted to backstab Deng’s reforms and definitely didn’t want to set precedent that some students could just show up and protest and get party members to talk to them and negotiate – which very much happened on the part of the reformist faction.
But I wouldn’t be surprised that it’s kinda inconceivable in the first place for a tankie that the Chinese party had, or has, factions. Their performance has been rather spotty when it comes to centralism, but it was certainly increased after Tiananmen, and also after the collapse of the USSR. Mostly though it’s politics as usual.
How, exactly, is any of this “pro-CIA”? Are you just throwing out random accusations? And yes I’m an Anarchist. I always was, and always will be, anti-tankie. Deal with it. But I also know just a tad bit more about Tiananmen than your ordinary westerner or, for that matter, your ordinary tankie.
Thanks for telling me about that red flag. Anarchists are always petite bourgeoisie, and they do not read, both of which are true about you, since you did not read what I sent.
I know about factions to the point Mao Tse-tung was a member of Kuomintang, before the CPC got formed.
Black flag. You’re the red flag. Get your vexillology straight.
I bet you even support Ukraine and Israel, right? That would be consistent with the ideology of anarchism, also known as the anti reading ideology. Colours do not determine morals.
I oppose fascism of any kind. Kahanites, Hamas, Putin, doesn’t matter, same shit with a different coat of paint.
Hahahahhaha, that’s good, atleast you are consistently petite bourgeois for Western imperial empire. Atleast you have one redeemable personality trait. Now if you did more reading about history than internet vexillology, that would make you a better person with morals.
Man hold that fucking L and shut up