• Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
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    And when you say Israelis should leave, you don’t mean Arab or Palestinian Israelis right? We know exactly which kind of Israeli you want specifically removed, the Jewish kind.

    But even if we follow your argument, I’m native Mayan/pipil. I’ll support your idea that Israel return the land, once you fucking return mine and leave my continent.

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      Wish we could but like the Palestine/Israel conflict we all know we can’t. Just need to score internet points.

      Wish also that all this insanity had people being specific about what kind of reparations would help heal the wounds rather than arguing that this is the point where a thousand year’s blood feud should end with the complete destruction of an ethnicity.

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      So because someone is an idiot, everyone gets to be idiots? I fully support leaving native land to native people, but we gotta start somewhere and that might aswell be Israel/Palestine.

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              you don’t get the nuance man. hes saying the guy is white. regardless of what reality is. so it hits on so many levels. maybe white. maybe just some native blood. oh man. next level shit.

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        So people who were born in Israel must be displaced and have their homes and lives taken too? That’s your solution?

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            Because it hasn’t happened to most of the residents of Gaza, the land Hamas administers. Gaza has had the 1967 borders since like 2004 and 1/2 the population of Gaza is below 18. So most Gazan have never had land taken from them.

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                Gaza has the 1967 borders. And in 2004-2005 had all of its Jewish settlements forcibly evicted by Israel.

                So most of the population of Gaza (under 18) cannot have had their land stolen from them, as Israel hasn’t stolen any land since then.

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              Because it’s not actively happening in Gaza. Gaza has the 1967 borders and no settlements. Israel evicted every Jewish settler in the mid 2000s at an honest effort of peace. And Gaza was suppose to be the model for peace and a 2 state solution in the region.

              Instead of peace there’s been constant, increasing conflict coming from Gaza. And not just against Israel, but against Egypt and the West Bank too.

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                  What part isn’t true?

                  • There have been no new settlement in Gaza Since the Disengagement?
                  • Gaza has the 1967 borders.
                  • All settlers in the Gaza strip were evicted
                  • The Gaza Disengagement Plan was an honest attempt at Peace by Israel’s left wing coalition?
                  • Violence from Hamas and originating in Gaza has increased since it took over the territory.
                  • Violence from Hamas has increased since it took over the territory, not just against Israel but against Egypt too.
                  • Violence from Hamas has increased since it took over the territory, not just against Israel but against West Bank too.
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        Why?

        Why not start by giving all of western Massachusetts back to the Wampanoag, Upstate NY to the Iroquois tribes, and the rest of the US to whichever other native tribe was originally lived there?

        Or start by giving Australia back to the aboriginals?

        Should apartheid have ended by deporting all the white South Africans back to Europe? Or was it a good thing that it ended by, you know, giving black South Africans rights?

        Personally, I’m all for a one state solution, so long as it’s one secular, democratic state that protects everyone’s rights.

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        I’m brown, black hair, with 67% Aztec/Mayan ancestry and my mother was born in a village without electricity or running water, but sure, keep being racist

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          and my mother was born in a village without electricity or running water

          What does that have to do with anything?

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              What do Mayan ancestry and being raised in village without running have to do with each other?

              Is everyone of Mayan descent raised in poverty? No? Then is why he pointing out that his mother was?

              He’s just looking for pity points.

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                  What do privilege and oppression have to do with Mayan ancestry?

                  Are all people of Mayan ancestry unprivileged and oppressed? No? Then why bring it up?

                  Pity points 🙄

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              On the plus side, with your parents directly related, the holiday planning is pretty easy to figure out

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        Lmaooo blud’s never met the averaged mixed-race mexican apparently

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                Yes, diluting their race to extinction. This is not a “genocide” per se (though the slaughters were), and is to be expected from immigration - but it has led to Mayans’ distinctiveness disappearing.

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                  So you’re against racemixing? You literally just called it genocide, which is what a lot of great replacement white supremacists believe

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                    I literally said it’s not, and that it’s normal, precisely because I’m aware of that very fact. Please read carefully next time.

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            The average mexican

            The average American is white and fat and 39 years old.

            Does that mean all Amercans are white, fat, and 39 years old?

            • There are an estimated 9 million Mayan people
            • An estimated 8 million live in Guatemala.
            • they speak these languages
            • Through the self-rule of states in Mexico and Guatamala and the legal framework known as Indigenismo maya people have a surprising amount of autonomy and self-rule.
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              I know, it’s just improbable that they’d be on a place full of Americans, since they aren’t even common on Spanish language forums

              An American “Latinx” LARPing as a Mayan is a more likely option