Yes friend, we are one in the same. I still have the last gen iPod I use in my car. It has Bluetooth and I still even use the 3.5mm audio jack instead. I’m old and hate most new music coming out anyway. And if I do want to check something out I still preview it on Apple Music. If nothing else it’s an entirely private and secure way to consume music.
I salute your commitment to the audio jack. I no longer have that luxury, but it is what it is, and I love my phone despite that glaring flaw. Wish it had an FM receiver too, but oh well.
If nothing else it’s an entirely private and secure way to consume music.
Amen to that. I’ve got my weird guilty pleasures that I go to occasionally and there’s no reason anyone else needs to know why I listen to a couple of specific dubstep songs as often as I do. If that theoretical information ever got leaked, would it even matter? Probably not, but I’m able to enjoy the music more if I can listen in my own world with no strings attached.
This is one of the biggest things I’ve enjoyed since I ditched spotify and started building up my own library again. It feels way more personal somehow.
Had a first Gen ipod permanently in my car from 2011 to just last year. Only took it out because head unit died and I put the factory one back in. iPod still works
The head unit in my car is so old it still has a dedicated 30 pin iPod cable that you’re meant to run out to your glovebox. I don’t do that, though. It has an SD card slot (full size) and also a USB port. And it still has a physical volume knob, too. I just chunk a flash drive into it.
No algorithmic suggestions and therefore, no curated daily taste playlists, no sorting your library by genre (at least not as granular and specific as Spotify unless you put in as much work as they do at tagging your music), finding new music manually takes at least 10x more effort and you’re limited to the taste you already know you have. If you switch phones you’re SOL unless you want to deal with the insanely slow transfer speeds of androids MTP or whatever apples slow ass transfer protocol is. Not to mention your library is limited by how much space you have. My 10,000+ song playlists on Spotify aren’t gonna easily fit on anyone’s device, and definitely not at the highest quality that Spotify can stream at. Your only hope of getting even a comparable experience is to be tech savvy and patient enough to set up a home streaming server, manually tag all your music, and find an audio app with an interface/features that you like that also supports streaming. Oh and then your home computer needs to be on all the time, and your Internet has to be great, and you must not care about your energy bill that much, and … I’m just gonna stop. Locally stored music is just not anywhere near as good. It’s lame and tedious and nearly pointless. At most, I’d say keep a couple albums you like with high quality FLACs but that’s it. You’re waisting your time not getting Spotify premium or Apple Plus or whatever the heck
Oh and this is coming from 20+ years of pirating media. Limewire used to be the best, but now it’s firmly Spotify etc.
Your only hope of getting even a comparable experience is to be tech savvy and patient enough to set up a home streaming server, manually tag all your music, and find an audio app with an interface/features that you like that also supports streaming. Oh and then your home computer needs to be on all the time, and your Internet has to be great, and you must not care about your energy bill that much, and … I’m just gonna stop.
It’s a bit spam-like, but I’m going to write something about this separately despite having replied about a different item previously.
I’m technical so it has to be taken with a grain of salt but umm:
Home streaming software is not really that difficult to setup and run.
Search beats tagging for me, which is embedded as part of point #1.
There are an abundance of options for streaming music, it’s (almost of course) easier and with more available choice than running your own Plex server which millions of people do. Hell, if you like plex you can just use its music app.
Of course you have to have a computer on in order to stream to yourself. I have a NUC (to counterpoint your “large energy bill” point) I use for the purpose of Plex and music streaming. But at least the music you like will stay there even as artists fight with various streaming services or try to start their own to get market share via exclusivity. It’s all still there, because in a very real way you actually have the music.
Your Internet does not have to be great to stream music. Some of us older fucks remember RealAudio. We literally streamed audio via dial-up modem. Aside from that, many streaming software packages including the one I use have an ability to locally cache what you’re listening to. I can listen to anything I’ve recently listened to on an airplane without preparing because it has an offline mode.
To each their own, but Spotify isn’t for me for a large number of reasons.
All valid points, and I’m glad Spotify works for you. For me though, the tedium isn’t nearly as bad as it seems to be for you. I’m fine with my methods since they’ve never truly failed me Even with my relatively disorganized collection, I can find what I’m looking for pretty quickly even without metadata (Lots of my oldest stuff is also from Limewire, and even Kazaa. Let’s just not mention the bitrate of some of it lol).
I’m fine with gradually expanding my tastes too, so I don’t need Spotify for finding new things. To be fair though, I have found some truly great stuff through the site that I feel I would have never heard, so it’s not without its merits. Though if you’re ever bored and you want to do some manual discovery, Every Noise at Once is a bizarrely cool place and might lead to some interesting finds. But YMMV. And if I don’t feel like picking anything I’ll just throw on whatever internet radio station suits my fancy.
I get you on the storage space as well. Luckily for me, a lot of what I listen to (don’t make fun please) is chiptunes, and I found a kickass app for my phone that reads the same files that the real consoles read so I can enjoy them in truly perfect quality, plus I have actual weeks of music in this format for less than 300 megs.
I admit my tastes are highly eclectic - to say the least - but I’m perfectly content with that. It’s great that you, along with the majority of other people, have an option that best suits your needs. May we both be able to access our music solutions as long as possible.
No algorithmic suggestions and therefore, no curated daily taste playlists, no sorting your library by genre (at least not as granular and specific as Spotify unless you put in as much work as they do at tagging your music), finding new music manually takes at least 10x more effort and you’re limited to the taste you already know you have
I haven’t used Spotify much, but I found Google Music and Pandora to be very shallow with regards to discovery. There’s not really much to them other than “people who liked X tend to like Y” or “here’s something that sounds similar to an artist you like”. It’s discovery sure, but it’s discovery on autopilot. It’ll keep you treading water in the same shallow area of the ocean forever unless you make a concerted effort outside of its algorithms to listen to something new.
I usually don’t want something “similar to…X” when finding new music. I usually want things that are completely different. I subscribed to Google Music for around a year and found maybe two new artists I liked to listen to. I switched back to a manual discovery process around five years ago and this year alone I’ve found probably a dozen.
I think this is a really important point. Music streaming services are incentivised to concentrate attention and create filter bubbles in much the same way as other tech. I’ve been discovering some new music through internet radio stations and it’s reinvigorated my sense of adventure in music. There is so much good stuff out there which is ignored by streaming service algorithms. Nothing beats discovering a new song/artist/album out in the wild and falling in love with it.
I’m very new to Linux so I’ll have to look up what that’s all about. Got Mint on dual-boot, but I keep slipping back into Win10 because it’s easier sticking with what you know, you know?
You mean there’s more of me out there?!
✅ No buffering, music starts instantly
✅ No connection issues
✅ No monthly money drain
✅ No arbitrary access or availability revocation
❌ No immediate access to any song I want to hear, but
✅ I’m patient
I need to get a NAS and a sailing hat
Watch out, it’s a slippery slope… You start with a raspberry pi and a USB drive, you end up with a virtualization server and a zfs pool
And the orgasmic pleasure of sticking it to the man.
At least you get to learn along the way
But can you swim in it?
Same for me. I already have SBC with 64gb USB stick, but I could use more. Oh, and I want sailing hat too.
if you have an android phone, check out InnerTune on F-Droid. Youtube music client, native UI, no fees, lets you download music.
So you don’t have no immediate access? That’s not how yes/No checkboxes work.
You know, I considered “fixing” that before hitting reply, but I figured the overall sentiment of my comment would make its way through.
I used a check and an x, to represent positive and negative. I could have gone with ➕ / ➖, so that’s on me.
It’s only a friendly comment, why you have to be mad?
Yes friend, we are one in the same. I still have the last gen iPod I use in my car. It has Bluetooth and I still even use the 3.5mm audio jack instead. I’m old and hate most new music coming out anyway. And if I do want to check something out I still preview it on Apple Music. If nothing else it’s an entirely private and secure way to consume music.
I salute your commitment to the audio jack. I no longer have that luxury, but it is what it is, and I love my phone despite that glaring flaw. Wish it had an FM receiver too, but oh well.
Amen to that. I’ve got my weird guilty pleasures that I go to occasionally and there’s no reason anyone else needs to know why I listen to a couple of specific dubstep songs as often as I do. If that theoretical information ever got leaked, would it even matter? Probably not, but I’m able to enjoy the music more if I can listen in my own world with no strings attached.
This is one of the biggest things I’ve enjoyed since I ditched spotify and started building up my own library again. It feels way more personal somehow.
Had a first Gen ipod permanently in my car from 2011 to just last year. Only took it out because head unit died and I put the factory one back in. iPod still works
The head unit in my car is so old it still has a dedicated 30 pin iPod cable that you’re meant to run out to your glovebox. I don’t do that, though. It has an SD card slot (full size) and also a USB port. And it still has a physical volume knob, too. I just chunk a flash drive into it.
I have. Arrrr.
I mean… That’s not immediate, but it’s close depending on the music and it’s availability
It takes me no longer to gain immediate access then it does for a stream user to search and play the stream, even with rare or weird songs.
I used to be hot shit back in the day when I could run a BitTorrent client anywhere on my Nokia N900. Nowadays anyone can do it.
No algorithmic suggestions and therefore, no curated daily taste playlists, no sorting your library by genre (at least not as granular and specific as Spotify unless you put in as much work as they do at tagging your music), finding new music manually takes at least 10x more effort and you’re limited to the taste you already know you have. If you switch phones you’re SOL unless you want to deal with the insanely slow transfer speeds of androids MTP or whatever apples slow ass transfer protocol is. Not to mention your library is limited by how much space you have. My 10,000+ song playlists on Spotify aren’t gonna easily fit on anyone’s device, and definitely not at the highest quality that Spotify can stream at. Your only hope of getting even a comparable experience is to be tech savvy and patient enough to set up a home streaming server, manually tag all your music, and find an audio app with an interface/features that you like that also supports streaming. Oh and then your home computer needs to be on all the time, and your Internet has to be great, and you must not care about your energy bill that much, and … I’m just gonna stop. Locally stored music is just not anywhere near as good. It’s lame and tedious and nearly pointless. At most, I’d say keep a couple albums you like with high quality FLACs but that’s it. You’re waisting your time not getting Spotify premium or Apple Plus or whatever the heck
Oh and this is coming from 20+ years of pirating media. Limewire used to be the best, but now it’s firmly Spotify etc.
It’s a bit spam-like, but I’m going to write something about this separately despite having replied about a different item previously.
I’m technical so it has to be taken with a grain of salt but umm:
Home streaming software is not really that difficult to setup and run.
Search beats tagging for me, which is embedded as part of point #1.
There are an abundance of options for streaming music, it’s (almost of course) easier and with more available choice than running your own Plex server which millions of people do. Hell, if you like plex you can just use its music app.
Of course you have to have a computer on in order to stream to yourself. I have a NUC (to counterpoint your “large energy bill” point) I use for the purpose of Plex and music streaming. But at least the music you like will stay there even as artists fight with various streaming services or try to start their own to get market share via exclusivity. It’s all still there, because in a very real way you actually have the music.
Your Internet does not have to be great to stream music. Some of us older fucks remember RealAudio. We literally streamed audio via dial-up modem. Aside from that, many streaming software packages including the one I use have an ability to locally cache what you’re listening to. I can listen to anything I’ve recently listened to on an airplane without preparing because it has an offline mode.
To each their own, but Spotify isn’t for me for a large number of reasons.
All valid points, and I’m glad Spotify works for you. For me though, the tedium isn’t nearly as bad as it seems to be for you. I’m fine with my methods since they’ve never truly failed me Even with my relatively disorganized collection, I can find what I’m looking for pretty quickly even without metadata (Lots of my oldest stuff is also from Limewire, and even Kazaa. Let’s just not mention the bitrate of some of it lol).
I’m fine with gradually expanding my tastes too, so I don’t need Spotify for finding new things. To be fair though, I have found some truly great stuff through the site that I feel I would have never heard, so it’s not without its merits. Though if you’re ever bored and you want to do some manual discovery, Every Noise at Once is a bizarrely cool place and might lead to some interesting finds. But YMMV. And if I don’t feel like picking anything I’ll just throw on whatever internet radio station suits my fancy.
I get you on the storage space as well. Luckily for me, a lot of what I listen to (don’t make fun please) is chiptunes, and I found a kickass app for my phone that reads the same files that the real consoles read so I can enjoy them in truly perfect quality, plus I have actual weeks of music in this format for less than 300 megs.
I admit my tastes are highly eclectic - to say the least - but I’m perfectly content with that. It’s great that you, along with the majority of other people, have an option that best suits your needs. May we both be able to access our music solutions as long as possible.
Every noise at once looks awesome - thanks for the suggestion!
I haven’t used Spotify much, but I found Google Music and Pandora to be very shallow with regards to discovery. There’s not really much to them other than “people who liked X tend to like Y” or “here’s something that sounds similar to an artist you like”. It’s discovery sure, but it’s discovery on autopilot. It’ll keep you treading water in the same shallow area of the ocean forever unless you make a concerted effort outside of its algorithms to listen to something new.
I usually don’t want something “similar to…X” when finding new music. I usually want things that are completely different. I subscribed to Google Music for around a year and found maybe two new artists I liked to listen to. I switched back to a manual discovery process around five years ago and this year alone I’ve found probably a dozen.
I think this is a really important point. Music streaming services are incentivised to concentrate attention and create filter bubbles in much the same way as other tech. I’ve been discovering some new music through internet radio stations and it’s reinvigorated my sense of adventure in music. There is so much good stuff out there which is ignored by streaming service algorithms. Nothing beats discovering a new song/artist/album out in the wild and falling in love with it.
WDYM? If you want to listen before full download, there are some FUSE download managers on linux.
I’m very new to Linux so I’ll have to look up what that’s all about. Got Mint on dual-boot, but I keep slipping back into Win10 because it’s easier sticking with what you know, you know?
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