Yes, by having a parc ferme from Friday morning on a bumpy track that’s been patched like a quilt. When you have a 50% fail rate from more than one team…
You can’t just extrapolate a datapoint from 4 to 20 and expect to keep the fail rate constant. I don’t exactly like the sprint format either, but this is not exactly a good argument to scrap it.
They randomly check 4 cars, 2 fail. The check does not take a minute, unlike the weighing of the cars. I could not find the exact figure on how long this test takes to do, but given how precise it is, I would assume a good while.
What are you suggesting to be changed? Are we supposed to hold the award ceremony until every single car is checked to minute detail? Or do we just not do any checks at all?
I get that it’s frustrating to see 2 drivers get dsq’d for seemingly minor reasons, but rules are rules. Especially after the 2021 controversy.
The “clarification” is wrong. It has nothing to do with porpoising. Unless this porpoising was somehow present on non-ground effect cars in the mid 90’s when the plank was introduced.
This is entirely wrong. The plank has been in place since the mid 90’s as a ride height check. This porpoising shit hasn’t existed for more than a couple of years.
Are we supposed to hold the award ceremony until every single car is checked to minute detail?
Who the fuck cares about an awards ceremony? That has nothing to do with anything.
If you randomly check four cars and half of them fail tech, you inspect EVERY car. The odds that you pull four and two of them happen to be the ONLY two cars with illegal floors is so low as to be meaningless. The much more likely outcome is more cars are illegal and if you have reason to believe more cars are illegal but you choose not to pursue that probability, you are not doing your job as the supposed arbiters of the rules.
Yes, rules are rules. Which is why this random check nonsense should have died decades ago. Either apply them or don’t. No clown show half measure.
The fact that 2 cars of 4 have been found illegal is unprecedented but not impossible.
By the time those checks have been made, cars have already been disassembled, if not on trucks, and heading to Mexico.
In order to check every single part of every single car, every single race would require FIA to have much more staff that they have currently on every weekend throughout the season. It would require more downtime from already extremely overworked and busy pitcrews to wait for all these checks to be made. Given how hectic their schedules are (especially in double and tipple headers), this kind of thorough search is pretty much impossible.
These checks are made, how they are, for a good reason, and they do their job by the virtue of them being random (in this case not really random, top 4 cars + random cars that were sparking the most). You don’t wanna risk it as if you are found guilty, you are DSQ’d
No, it is not “practically impossible” to do a technical inspection. You seem to think the Formula 1 is the equivalent of your local test and tune night with one dude that looks at something, guesses it isn’t a fire hazard, and gives it a pass.
If you have a part that you specifically put on a car to serve as a wear indicator and you can’t even bother to check it for wear, why is that part on the car? Do you really think it’s that hard to check the thickness of a part? They’re made of a composite material. Absolutely nothing needs to be done beyond specifying the cap material to have 1mm of thickness and if that top cap is breached you’re done. FFS, this is something your local skate kids are experts at. Just ask them if you need help identifying when a wooden laminate’s been worn down.
The plank has existed for nearly three decades and has nothing to do with “porpoising.” It’s there to enforce minimum ride height rules that have existed way before ground effects were reintroduced.
F1 has become farcical. It was always a shitshow but man the past few years have just been bad joke after bad joke.
Are you suggesting it’s F1/FIA fault that 2 cars broke the few clearly stated rules? Floor plank height rule is there for a reason.
Yes, by having a parc ferme from Friday morning on a bumpy track that’s been patched like a quilt. When you have a 50% fail rate from more than one team…
You can’t just extrapolate a datapoint from 4 to 20 and expect to keep the fail rate constant. I don’t exactly like the sprint format either, but this is not exactly a good argument to scrap it.
On a sprint weekend where the plank gets 19 more laps of abuse than an average race? Yes, yes you can.
No, you can’t.
Teams knew that it would be a sprint weekend. Teams knew Austin is bumpy as hell. Teams therefore knew that the floor would get 19 more laps of abuse.
Mercedes has already admitted fault and I doubt either them or ferrari will appeal this. It was their mistake.
I like shitting on FIA as much as the next guy, but why shit on them for stupid reasons?
Gee, if only they’d tested…
Half of the cars they checked failed and they didn’t bother inspecting anyone else.
THAT is a fucking farce. Just another in a long line of them.
And that stupid fucking plank has always been a joke, as is the fact that they put titanium on it just to make pretty sparks for the cameras.
The supposed pinnacle of motorsport has always been hamstrung by ass-backwards change-averse douchebags and politicking pricks.
They randomly check 4 cars, 2 fail. The check does not take a minute, unlike the weighing of the cars. I could not find the exact figure on how long this test takes to do, but given how precise it is, I would assume a good while.
What are you suggesting to be changed? Are we supposed to hold the award ceremony until every single car is checked to minute detail? Or do we just not do any checks at all?
I get that it’s frustrating to see 2 drivers get dsq’d for seemingly minor reasons, but rules are rules. Especially after the 2021 controversy.
It’s the anti-porpoising regulation. It’s there so drivers don’t get health issues in a 100 minute race from bumping a thousand times.
Thank you for the clarification
The “clarification” is wrong. It has nothing to do with porpoising. Unless this porpoising was somehow present on non-ground effect cars in the mid 90’s when the plank was introduced.
This is entirely wrong. The plank has been in place since the mid 90’s as a ride height check. This porpoising shit hasn’t existed for more than a couple of years.
Who the fuck cares about an awards ceremony? That has nothing to do with anything.
If you randomly check four cars and half of them fail tech, you inspect EVERY car. The odds that you pull four and two of them happen to be the ONLY two cars with illegal floors is so low as to be meaningless. The much more likely outcome is more cars are illegal and if you have reason to believe more cars are illegal but you choose not to pursue that probability, you are not doing your job as the supposed arbiters of the rules.
Yes, rules are rules. Which is why this random check nonsense should have died decades ago. Either apply them or don’t. No clown show half measure.
The fact that 2 cars of 4 have been found illegal is unprecedented but not impossible.
By the time those checks have been made, cars have already been disassembled, if not on trucks, and heading to Mexico.
In order to check every single part of every single car, every single race would require FIA to have much more staff that they have currently on every weekend throughout the season. It would require more downtime from already extremely overworked and busy pitcrews to wait for all these checks to be made. Given how hectic their schedules are (especially in double and tipple headers), this kind of thorough search is pretty much impossible.
These checks are made, how they are, for a good reason, and they do their job by the virtue of them being random (in this case not really random, top 4 cars + random cars that were sparking the most). You don’t wanna risk it as if you are found guilty, you are DSQ’d
And yet there are multiple DQ’s because teams risked it. Did you even think before you typed that?
If you can’t bother enforcing a rule then the rule doesn’t exist.
It’s clear you didn’t read my comment either.
Enforcing this rule fully, the way you imagine is practically impossible. But the rule is necessary to stop excessive porpoising.
Calm down.
No, it is not “practically impossible” to do a technical inspection. You seem to think the Formula 1 is the equivalent of your local test and tune night with one dude that looks at something, guesses it isn’t a fire hazard, and gives it a pass.
If you have a part that you specifically put on a car to serve as a wear indicator and you can’t even bother to check it for wear, why is that part on the car? Do you really think it’s that hard to check the thickness of a part? They’re made of a composite material. Absolutely nothing needs to be done beyond specifying the cap material to have 1mm of thickness and if that top cap is breached you’re done. FFS, this is something your local skate kids are experts at. Just ask them if you need help identifying when a wooden laminate’s been worn down.
The plank has existed for nearly three decades and has nothing to do with “porpoising.” It’s there to enforce minimum ride height rules that have existed way before ground effects were reintroduced.
If I wasn’t calm you’d fucking know it.