Not arguing about what the actual traffic laws are. I am arguing that this is objectively confusing design. “Left turn yield on green (CIRCLE)” does not mean that left turn yields on green. It means, “when turning left, but the solid light is green, and the left turn arrow is not lit up, yield to oncoming traffic. But if the solid light is green and the left turn arrow is lit, then do not yield.” So you literally do not yield on green.
Sure you can just tell people to “please learn the road signs” no matter how terrible… or we can acknowledge that this is an asinine design. I have no idea why anyone would spend energy defending this.
The thing is, you’re not putting a dissertation on one of these signs. You’re already supposed to yield on a solid green if you’re turning left without a green arrow, that’s already the law. This sign is a reminder for the stupid people about something they’re already supposed to do, not allow someone who’s never driven in their life to learn the laws as they go.
But if the solid light is green and the left turn arrow is lit, then do not yield
If I remember correctly, both lights would never be lit at the same time. It’s either a green circle (yield) or a green arrow (right of way) just like literally every other intersection in existence ever.
Not arguing about what the actual traffic laws are. I am arguing that this is objectively confusing design. “Left turn yield on green (CIRCLE)” does not mean that left turn yields on green. It means, “when turning left, but the solid light is green, and the left turn arrow is not lit up, yield to oncoming traffic. But if the solid light is green and the left turn arrow is lit, then do not yield.” So you literally do not yield on green.
Sure you can just tell people to “please learn the road signs” no matter how terrible… or we can acknowledge that this is an asinine design. I have no idea why anyone would spend energy defending this.
I interpret the sign correctly and would still strongly argue that it is a bad sign. I appreciate what you have added to the conversation!
Its a bad sign. I agree.
The thing is, you’re not putting a dissertation on one of these signs. You’re already supposed to yield on a solid green if you’re turning left without a green arrow, that’s already the law. This sign is a reminder for the stupid people about something they’re already supposed to do, not allow someone who’s never driven in their life to learn the laws as they go.
“Left turn yield until (left arrow)”
So if it’s red you can turn but just have to yield?
No, red means stop.
If I remember correctly, both lights would never be lit at the same time. It’s either a green circle (yield) or a green arrow (right of way) just like literally every other intersection in existence ever.
What are you taking about? Plenty of intersections are green on left turn and straight at the same time.