I had to block a few users yesterday. Today, I noticed about ten notifications from users I’ve blocked—they replied to me, continued to make up lies about my heritage, and I continued to see their comments in my notifications.
It seems that the only effect of my blocking them is that I can no longer see their comments in context—although I am still notified of their harassment. This is quite the opposite effect from the one I was going for—I mean, I’m happy to spend less time engaging with them, but the block feature seems to be guaranteeing these bigots the “last word” and preventing me from even reporting them. They can then follow me anywhere on kbin and continue to harass me, the block function is only stopping me from doing anything about it.
At least one of these users is on the same instance as I am, kbin.social.
Why doesn’t blocking work?
I’m not aware of any other platform where a blocked user can reply to a blocking user, but it certainly isn’t possible on Reddit.
It used to be possible on Reddit, and people didn’t like the change to how it is now. Because of how it can be (and is being) abused.
A blocked user could never respond to a blocking user on Reddit, to my knowledge. I believe you’re confused.
I’ve never been blocked, so I might be wrong there. But the last word problem was the main reason I’ve seen people hate the move to the current blocking system, so I assumed it didn’t exist before.
Edit: Reddit’s official announcement for the new system does explicitly mention they’re changing it so you can’t interact with users that blocked you anymore. Which implies you could before.
Yes, it’s very annoying when the person you’re harassing stops you from harassing them, I’m sure. You have all the steam of somebody being wrong on the internet and it just ends, without you being able to vent over four more days as you go back and forth pestering each other with thousand-word comments nobody will read. Trolls must hate it when they get cut off from that.
What I recall is this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/changelog/comments/p2ezy4/bringing_more_visibility_to_comments_from_blocked/
The comments are all complaining about how blocking people doesn’t block them, explicitly complaining that this change doesn’t do the thing that blocking is, which is not to mute, but to block.
Looking through the history of changes, it seems you’re referencing this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/s71g03/announcing_blocking_updates/
And the comment section there is much more mixed, although I do see more people complaining. I suppose people complain to reddit announcements no matter what, but to be fair, they are almost always bad.
I may be mistaken on the exact details of how it works on reddit, but allowing non-moderator users to prevent others from replying doesn’t sound like a good idea. For comments, preventing a blocked user from replying directly in a child comment means they’ll just reply in a sibling comment instead. They still get the last word, so the only thing accomplished is to mess up the threading a little bit.
For posts, preventing blocked users from replying gives the poster pseudo-moderator powers over replies. They can block anyone criticizing or disagreeing with them, giving them significant narrative control. Not exactly desirable.
Blocking should only be for filtering what the blocking user sees. It cannot be a substitute for proper moderation.
Blocking is not a moderator-level function, it is quite personal. You’re welcome to continue chatting in the community, just don’t reply to me with any more of your hate speech. I don’t want it anywhere in my comment thread, I don’t have to put up with that shit. Hiding it from me is not a block feature at all, it’s a mute feature. I don’t want to mute them, I don’t want to close my eyes, and pretend I can’t see their hate. I want to stop them from pretending to interact with me, I want them to stop posting bigotry in response to my comments, I want them to go the fuck away.
If they invade some other comment thread, there is no risk that anybody will think, “oh, he just couldn’t come up with a reply to that last bit of bigotry, I guess the bigot won!” If they annoy others, they’ll get downvoted, or the mods will act, whatever—not my business, I’m not looking for a moderation function, I’m looking for a personal function.
I’m not worried about the last word anywhere in the comment section, I’m worried about the last word in my comment thread, where they’re directly harassing me. If they have something worth saying, if they have a narrative worth continuing, it’ll be worth continuing in some other thread, rather than in direct response to me.
And if every user in the community blocks them, they earned it.
This is not moderation. It’s personal.
Alright, let’s pretend that you’ve blocked me, and that this comment is telling everyone that you smell bad. It’s not a direct/child response to your comment, but everyone can see it and knows I’m talking about you. If you don’t respond, then by your logic I’ve “won”, and you must in fact smell bad.
It seems more like you’re taking a stand on stubborn principle than advocating for good user interface design.
People expect to see replies in a comment chain because people expect the user to be notified. Nobody expects the user to follow down a totally different comment chain they weren’t notified of to see every single insult anybody levies at them. And people recognize the extreme pettiness of baselessly insulting a user in a different comment chain where they aren’t notified of the comment.
Whereas, if it’s actually an informed response to misinformation, nobody sees it as petty, and it doesn’t need to be in the same comment chain to have its effect, and it really doesn’t need to be a back and forth.
Long comment chains really don’t benefit anybody but the trolls who bait reasonable people into them, tbh.