And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.
That was possible on Reddit too. Every single sub with overbearing mods could have been replaced at any time with an alternative. A bunch of alternatives tried to get off the ground, some succeeded more than others, but most never overcame the original, if they ever picked up at all.
It’ll be the same way here. If the community doesn’t leave the original home because they’re “settled there”, alternatives will not grow.
This entire migration from Reddit should make it it very, very plain how utterly impossible it is to get large groups of users to move. Reddit is all but whipping them with jumper cables right now and they’re still using it.
You can’t just expect communities to move because the admins suck. You have to actually attract them there.
Not really. Reddit is a single platform, you get the same overbearing comment-editing admins, with the same tunnel-vision automod tools and black-hole recurse process no matter what new sub you make.
Moving people off a platform is the hardest part, they need to learn new tools an ways of doing things… and TL;DR you lost them.
On lemmy and the fediverse, leaving unwelcoming mods/admins behind is as easy as going to another instance, no need to change the ways of using it. Still need to attract that community, but it’s orders of magnitude easier on a federated platform.
Yeah, I haven’t used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit. I’ll be here more now that Reddit isn’t an option, but it’s not like I think this place is good either. Lemmy needs to step up its game.
I haven’t used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit.
Well that’s very disappointing if true. Could you give an example?
Btw, just to be clear-- Lemmy isn’t “one site,” so you’re likely to get a wide range of reactions depending on issue/cause where you happen to be (communities, instances).
Look at my sub c/chaotesvspatriarchy. I created it on Reddit, moved it to Lemmy during the protests, and gave up on it after a while because lemmy.world users would see trans memes and downvote.
c/[email protected] is also an absolute terf magnet that I tried to get shut down
Why would you go back to a community you don’t agree with? There is a reason there are like 20+ “cats” communities on so many different instances; you can pick a different one, or start one yourself (and be the mod you want), or even a whole instance (and be the admin you want).
Sometimes some of the users are nice and you want to hang with them. Sometimes it’s just a misunderstanding. Sometimes you have a political motivation and are motivated not by self-interest to hang with cool people, but by a moral duty to make the world a better place
Create a community and invite over the nice users? If it’s just a misunderstanding, try talking it out with the mods? If you have a political motivation… sorry, can’t help you there, most online forums are not the place to run a campaign that doesn’t align with the nod’s views, there is no free speech protection on non-government property.
On the Fediverse, you can go to a different instance.
And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.
Every online community I’ve ever seen has it’s fieflords.
At least with lemmy, if mods / admins regularly over-step, alternative communities can easily replace them.
That was possible on Reddit too. Every single sub with overbearing mods could have been replaced at any time with an alternative. A bunch of alternatives tried to get off the ground, some succeeded more than others, but most never overcame the original, if they ever picked up at all.
It’ll be the same way here. If the community doesn’t leave the original home because they’re “settled there”, alternatives will not grow.
This entire migration from Reddit should make it it very, very plain how utterly impossible it is to get large groups of users to move. Reddit is all but whipping them with jumper cables right now and they’re still using it.
You can’t just expect communities to move because the admins suck. You have to actually attract them there.
Not really. Reddit is a single platform, you get the same overbearing comment-editing admins, with the same tunnel-vision automod tools and black-hole recurse process no matter what new sub you make.
Moving people off a platform is the hardest part, they need to learn new tools an ways of doing things… and TL;DR you lost them.
On lemmy and the fediverse, leaving unwelcoming mods/admins behind is as easy as going to another instance, no need to change the ways of using it. Still need to attract that community, but it’s orders of magnitude easier on a federated platform.
A good point well made.
Yeah, I haven’t used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit. I’ll be here more now that Reddit isn’t an option, but it’s not like I think this place is good either. Lemmy needs to step up its game.
Well that’s very disappointing if true. Could you give an example?
Btw, just to be clear-- Lemmy isn’t “one site,” so you’re likely to get a wide range of reactions depending on issue/cause where you happen to be (communities, instances).
Look at my sub c/chaotesvspatriarchy. I created it on Reddit, moved it to Lemmy during the protests, and gave up on it after a while because lemmy.world users would see trans memes and downvote.
c/[email protected] is also an absolute terf magnet that I tried to get shut down
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You are probably on a transphobic instance. Try to go on an LGBTQ+ instance, there are a lot of them. Example: https://lib.lgbt
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Why would you go back to a community you don’t agree with? There is a reason there are like 20+ “cats” communities on so many different instances; you can pick a different one, or start one yourself (and be the mod you want), or even a whole instance (and be the admin you want).
Sometimes some of the users are nice and you want to hang with them. Sometimes it’s just a misunderstanding. Sometimes you have a political motivation and are motivated not by self-interest to hang with cool people, but by a moral duty to make the world a better place
Create a community and invite over the nice users? If it’s just a misunderstanding, try talking it out with the mods? If you have a political motivation… sorry, can’t help you there, most online forums are not the place to run a campaign that doesn’t align with the nod’s views, there is no free speech protection on non-government property.
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