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Okay so to see if I’m tracking this right…
1800s white people killed all of the buffalo they could to eliminate a vital food source of the indigenous peoples of the great plains region. Because buffalo were a more important food source to the natives than the settlers, this basically means that the natives actually killed them. This means that indigenous people killed a lot of buffalo to eat food, Ergo, veganism is bad. Or maybe it’s actually the natives who are bad actually
Am I following this right?
Is this photo of bison slaughtered by white settlers supposed to own natives?
No, the vegans. See the preachy vegans preach to everyone within reach. The chad native is tired of the virgin soyboys preaching to him about their culture and how they should eat. The vegan is bewildered because he cannot disagree with a minority and had assumed he would side with him. Dazed and confused the vegan wanders off while the creator of the meme regales in the contradiction that confounded the vegan but he had seen coming a mile away.
I literally can’t understand the point. It’s like a bot post.
i’ve been racking my brain trying to figure out what the point is and i THINK it’s that white vegans shouldn’t criticize indigenous people because white people have done worse to these animals? or that indigenous people need buffalo meat? i really don’t know it’s such a dumb post
anti-vegans like to use native traditional hunting practices as a cudgel against vegans. “Oh you think EVERYONE should stop eating meat, huh? Would you say that to someone who has to hunt to survive? I bet you would. Because you’re a colonizer. Not me though. I’m a good white person, because I learned that some native people eat meat and immediately used that to quiet my own consumption anxiety.” At no point does any vegan have to respond to this monologue. The anti-vegan is able to imagine their position in full without ever listening to them.
Meanwhile, native tribes made a huge part of their culture using every single piece of the animal so it didn’t die in vain, down to using smaller bones for needles and other precision instruments and sinew for cordage.
As opposed to the genius who made the meme who’s never had a piece of beef that wasn’t a steak or burger.
pretty sure they are saying that the native americans did that? and whie vegans shouldnt talk about veganism with natives? maybe?
I think it’s saying white people telling indigenous people how to live is touchy and to not be weird and racist about it
That image was also used in a class that taught us about how white people systematically destroyed a specific indigenous way of life that relied on following or at least relying on the migratory patterns of buffalo.
That society had a much better grasp of living in harmony with nature (not destroying the biosphere) so white vegans today are arguing from a bad position when whites arguably destroyed a much better way of life than veganism under capitalism.
While it doesn’t come up as often as carnists would claim opportunistically, white vegans are still white and should defer to POC vegans and at least be highly cognizant of their privileges when criticizing non-white people (especially considering carnism is higher among whites than non-whites). Especially considering white people are chiefly responsible for culturally exporting carnism as a power signifier to begin with.
I have talked to plenty of white vegans that being vegan does not give one permission to be racist, nullify their privileges, or grant them moral license to be domineering or wield their privilege when talking to non-white communities, they should be on their best behavior as an ally and conciliatory the same way queer whites should not be domineering when entering non-white spaces, including cishet non-white spaces.
Being vegan is being vegan.
It can compliment but it is not a substitute for becoming anti-racist. Moral license becomes a conductor for suppressed racialized hatred. Communists are not immune.
I think this is the photo of a buffalo genocide done so that the natives couldn’t rely on them as a food source, and thus forcing them into starvation or submission…
Oh my God… You just made me realize that that’s what this was for. I’ve seen these pictures in text books when I was a kid, and uncritically accepted the explanation that it was ‘pioneers found an easy food source and some thought it was funny to shoot an animal that didn’t have the sense to run away…’.
Hence why it’s called a genocide against the native people, a deliberate destruction of a specific people’s primary food source is defined as a genocidal act. I went to pretty ‘progressive’ schools in the US and it was still mostly framed as a “oh, we fought them a bit but they kinda just got sick and died, it wasn’t like a lot of people were trying to eradicate them.”
anyway, here’s why america wasn’t founded on genocide:
Show them this picture so they can both agree that carnist colonizers are the absolute worst.
Yeah the people who systematically killed all the buffalo were definitely vegans. That is the veganest thing you could possibly do.
whenever you see a white vegan argue with a native
Imma stop you right there, cause I need to clarify. Are we talking about a native-native or a
?what we’re doing is using identity politics to make the terrain of niche political debates less complicated. the “white vegan” is useful if you don’t like racism but also hate veganism. the “white carnist” is ridiculous, because that’s just a normal, well adjusted type of person, so how could their race and diet have anything to do with each other? a native who is vegan makes even less sense, and it’s unlikely that such a thing could even be conceived of.
White vegans are real and have the same contradictions as white queers when it comes to their non-white counterparts and adversaries
“Anti-vegan” natives are charicatured and wildly overstated but race still an intersection that whites struggle with, I go more into it in my reply below
Coming across this Tweet on Twitter made me realize Twitter had switched me back to the “For You” tab instead of the timeline 🤦♂️
we need a buddy comedy starring, big guy, cia, and wreckage brother, my favorite batmane charcters
