Introduction

So generally Iā€™ve been pretty negative of the first two books (book 1 , book2), both as a fan of the show but also against the reputation the series has as a whole and the general interest in the world the show and the seriesā€™s reputation has garnered.

Iā€™m aware that book 4 is widely regarded as when the series actually starts or hits its stride, and aimed in my reading to at least read up to book 4. But I found books 1 and 2 to be strangely disappointing and so was curious to see how I felt about book 3. It seems, in hindsight, that books 1 and 2 are basically parts 1 and 2 of the same opening book of the series. I wouldnā€™t be surprised if story-wise they started off as a single book in Jordanā€™s mind, for instance. So I was curious to see how things go once Jordan was free from the opening work.

The short story is I very much liked book 3, in general and more than books 1 and 2, for about the first half. The second half and the ending though were a pretty bad let down however and, at the moment, seal my opinion that the first 3 opening books are kinda problematically ā€œnot goodā€ for a series this long in well loved.

Positives

What worked for me was that Jordan did seem free to write within the world rather than to paint it for the reader, and that worked well for me. The women and Mat in Tar Valon and the rest in the mountains or chasing Rand ā€¦ these felt like focused and organic story and character threads where any mysteries felt looming (how good was Lanfear in tar valon!) and actions and risks felt like they had real and palpable stakes. Compared to book 2, Perin and Mat gain focus and it works well. Perin, as Iā€™m guessing is not unique of me, is a favourite. Matā€™s whole luck thing, is something Iā€™m not sure about, but itā€™s a fun and interesting character that has been underdone so far, so getting more focus on him was good.

Egwene, Nyneave and Elayne

The three women, while I enjoyed very much the Tar Valon setting and their role in it, werenā€™t terribly well written from a character perspective Iā€™d say. Iā€™m aware thereā€™s a whole ā€œobnoxious womenā€ opinion out there, and while I can see how some might feel that way, that wasnā€™t my issue. I think they were simultaneously given a pile of agency that didnā€™t quite make sense within the book, as bait going of to Tear at great risk, it seemed strangely risky all of a sudden. But then simultaneously, their characters were somewhat childish and superficial in the tension between them without any real attempts at digging into it giving the characters to a chance to work through their issues or suffer consequences. I get that the characters have growth to do and are flawed and all, but the combination of choices with the group felt somewhat crude and contrived for the broader plot. Also, that they twice were rescued without needing to be rescued was odd and Iā€™m not sure what purpose it serves. And while being shitty to Mat is just part of the gender and character dynamics ā€¦ again, it felt superficial ā€¦ like in a situation like that I think even the most stuck up people would be relieved to see a friendly or familiar face out of nowhere trying to help them. And then, in the end, they almost played no role in the overall plot ā€¦ ?

Negatives

On which, we get to the latter half, where book 3 sadly shared a formula with books 1 and 2 to the point where much of the plot machinations just felt contrived to lead to the ending Jordan had decided on. It was somewhat strange that the women were going to Tear to trigger the trap with the Amyrlinā€™s blessing. Maybe itā€™s illustrative of the dangers of the Aes Sedai, but I knew Jordan wanted the characters to be split apart to then all converge onto a single location housing a special magical item where Baā€™alzamon would appear out of nowhere and confront Rand in some inexplicable magic battle that Rand would ā€œinstinctivelyā€ be able to win to prove that he is the Dragon Reborn. So, the women, Rand, and then Mat (learning things by luck I guess), and of course Moraine, Perin and co chasing Rand, all deciding to head for Tear just felt cheap and manipulative by this point. While Iā€™m guessing that in universe the Forsaken/Baā€™alzamon were manipulating things toward this, the plot formula is pretty obvious by this point and just wasnā€™t compelling reading once all the threads were in place. Generally, I suspect that Jordan, for me, is at his weakest when he feels like he needs to move people around. The obviousness of the plot mechanics being one aspect, but I suspect thereā€™s something how Jordan thinks his unveiling his rich world for the reader when for me it feels more like noise ā€¦ characters and places without much substance or ā€œthematic momentumā€.

The Ending

As for the ending ā€¦ at this point I donā€™t think I can be negative enough about it. Iā€™m honestly a little shocked and kinda questioning if I even like fantasy. Like, how is it OK for a celebrated series to have basically the same ending in the first three (not short!) books all so that Rand can finally recognise he is the Dragon?! That Rand was hardly in the book is probably a big factor as to why enjoyed this one more ā€¦ Iā€™m not sure Jordan knows what to do with is ā€œchosen oneā€ trope and generally the character is obviously a bit thin. A series just about the three women, Perin and Mat, without the chosen one and ā€œdark oneā€ tropes would probably be much more interesting. By this point, I think Jordan really needed to have created a character in Rand that was more fleshed out and interesting. Chosen ones are often dull plot mechanisms, but spending so much time, and ending drama, on Rand learning to accept that he is the Dragon without us the reader having any hooks into his character and its growth and how it feels from his perspective in the same way we do for Perin and Egwene and Mat, seems like a failure of the series thus far.

Like, if the series didnā€™t have the reputation and the world werenā€™t interesting, Iā€™d be totally done with the series. Iā€™m somewhat curious to see how I feel about books 4 (and maybe 5 and 6) because despite liking book 3 more itā€™s cast way more doubt on whether I can enjoy the rest of the series ā€¦ Sorry, I just cannot get over how all three books were ā€œLook, itā€™s Baā€™alzamon out of nowhere, quick Rand, do all the things you know how to do only when itā€™s a climactic ending that transcends reality and the celebrated hard magic system ā€¦ weā€™ve brought everyone to this newly introduced city just to see it!!ā€ It strikes me as odd that fans openly admit to book 1ā€™s ending being off but Iā€™ve yet to see mention of the repetition of the basic pattern in the first three. Iā€™m really not sure you easily separate them.

Favourite parts and curiosities

  • Lanfear in Tar Valon was awesome and gave me chills in moments. Realising that she was doing entirely as she pleased and manipulating things in the Aes Sedai stronghold was scary as hell! Like who is this person, how powerful is she and what is she actually up to! Of course the dream Perin has where he sees her loyalty to the dark being questioned only cements the mysterious wonder. I love that the show has leaned into this character so much and can see why.
  • Dream world (telā€™aranā€™rhiod) is definitely interesting, and the revelation that the wolves are basically natives to it was very ā€œcoolā€ for lack of a better word. Iā€™m curious to see if itā€™s just another dimension in which things happen or if thereā€™s more to it though ā€¦ because already by this book it feels like it maybe doesnā€™t serve an immediate purpose other than to have more magic to the world and was maybe a tad overused already? ā€¦ definitely curious to see what Jordan does with it.
  • So, obviously, whatā€™s up with Mat and his luck? My guesses are Shadar Logoth and the dagger have left a mark (the book explicitly hints at this IIRC). Whether this leads to luck doesnā€™t really make sense, but broadly it would make sense that Matā€™s path/purpose is to somehow be the representative of the older Menethren Shadar Logoth fighting spirit against the dark which entails some curious powers given the shadow that is Shadar. Otherwise, the wheelā€™s willing things for him in the moment and can do it better during chance events? Even during fighting? Itā€™s really unclear and in a way that is both tantalising but also annoying.
    • A big and related question here is also what is the deal with Lanfear and Mat. Sheā€™s obviously toying with him, but then, in disguise as Else, seemed almost spooked by him, which implies that as a manifestation of Shadar heā€™s rather threatening to darkfriends etc.
  • So Ishamael/Baā€™alzamon. As a show fan, this details was obviously spoiled. But also, Iā€™m not sure how I feel about it in the book. It seemed to be an underwhelming twist and Iā€™m not clear on what effect it was supposed to have. Is Ishamael actually dead? I would guess not really but then the book has been happily killing off forsaken and Iā€™m probably more attached to Ishy than I should be because of the show. But then again Ishamael is in the opening prologue of EotW and has spoken of himself as recurring in the wheel like the Dragon.

The Opening Trilogy

Iā€™m really hoping that Jordan just spent a long time in the opening trilogy building up to the setting of their being a Dragon Reborn and the story he wanted to tell from that point onward and painting his world. If true, the world has been wonderfully detailed and set up, but with stories that are problematic introductions to a series (IMO, so far).

The Show

Iā€™m not sure how much of book 3 season 2 has tried to incorporate, but generally Iā€™ve very much appreciated the portrayal of the villains. Ishamael, Lanfear and Liandrin are, IMO, so much better in the show and are informing my mental image of the books.

I think I also appreciate what theyā€™ve done with Rand compared to the books. I think show Rand works much better and I appreciate the work the show has put into making that adaptation work. The toned down and more emotionally focused ending of season 1 helps a lot (as Iā€™ve said before, book fans are not good show critics in their difficulty letting go and accepting an adaptation as an adaptation ā€¦ season 1 in hindsight was rather good I think). And the more direct character beats with Lanfear in season 2 have helped a lot too.

  • maegul (he/they)@lemmy.mlOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    Ā·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Well I think another factor thatā€™s perhaps even more important is do I trust the author and suspend disbelief or have they lost my trust and am I now unable to ignore their choices and artifices. This is mostly what my critiques touch on. I can like the characters but not what the author has them do in that world the author gives them.

    In book 3, once I noticed everyone was going to Tear for another ā€œbaā€™alzamon climaxā€, it didnā€™t really matter how much I liked the characters. Instead I saw the author and their choices. The puppet strings rather than the puppets if you will. I could tell Jordan wanted his ending and that he thought I wanted it too. What I wanted least of all was to feel manipulated into being entertained by a climactic ending that was, IMO, a poor choice from any character and plot perspective, no matter how climactic it was.

    I think itā€™s pretty easy to forget how cinematic modern fiction is and how many directing choices are made for what happens around the character. As the page is a blank canvas with limitless options, once you canā€™t unsee the choices they can become pretty glaring.

    In the case of books 1-3, I think Jordan submits the characters to a lot of action. My critique of book 3 is on point in this regard. I liked the first half, as I was allowed to enjoy the characters. In the second half they were being pulled along by Jordanā€™s urge to have his characters moving to an ending and thatā€™s where it broke down for me.