I saw this post (https://beehaw.org/post/531244) about logical fallacies earlier and this is a classic “slippery slope” fallacy which I don’t believe will be a productive line of discussion to go down regarding debating this topic.
I think the focus is more on whether we should be forcing children to be exposed to racial slurs in this manner in educational settings and not on the broader “should we remove everything that is uncomfortable from educational settings”.
When I did my GCSEs this was a book that we studied and the focus of our course syllabus wasn’t on the sensitive subject of racism (which may be more suited to a different class like history or politics rather than english) but overall themes of “dreams”, “lonliness”, and “companionship” as well as how the characters and language highlight these themes. These themes are partially tackled from the perspective of people of colour and women living in the 1930s which is why these slurs appear.
I’m not the most well-read person but surely there must be other literature out there which is suitable for studying at this level which doesn’t include slurs?
I don’t think labeling an argument you disagree with as one of the canonical logical fallacies is helpful. A lot of history is very uncomfortable. Literature of those times obviously has those same aspects which can make historical eras sometimes uncomfortable for people not accustomed to facing these facts. I do not thinking firmly placing your head in the sand when encountering disturbing or uncomfortable ideas is a healthy way to progress, and is most definitely not a way to approach an AP class. I guess we could just pretend that bad shit never existed, so that we can be sure to repeat those experiences.
It comes down to teacher preparation and skills. Way back in the day I remember covering Huckleberry Finn. The slurs were not just kind of skipped over or minimized. It brought up several great discussions about historical wrongs, about the problem with judging people outside of the world they live in, changes that have happened since, and how much we still need to learn. I have no doubt that a less skilled educator could do far worse, not addressing the elephant in the room which could make the situation uncomfortable and even hurtful to certain students. In that I agree with you. I just don’t find that a legitimate reason to just ban certain books. It seems like so much bad that has happened with education has been spurred by outside forces deciding what they think education should be.
It is so similar to people who truly believe that they could successfully run a restaurant, based on the fact that they have eaten at many restaurants over the years. Pay teachers better, ensure only experienced and involved teachers teach classes where a softer, more nuanced approach is needed, etc.
I just really have a knee jerk reaction when people want to ban stuff for reasons based on feelings.
I saw this post (https://beehaw.org/post/531244) about logical fallacies earlier and this is a classic “slippery slope” fallacy which I don’t believe will be a productive line of discussion to go down regarding debating this topic.
I think the focus is more on whether we should be forcing children to be exposed to racial slurs in this manner in educational settings and not on the broader “should we remove everything that is uncomfortable from educational settings”.
When I did my GCSEs this was a book that we studied and the focus of our course syllabus wasn’t on the sensitive subject of racism (which may be more suited to a different class like history or politics rather than english) but overall themes of “dreams”, “lonliness”, and “companionship” as well as how the characters and language highlight these themes. These themes are partially tackled from the perspective of people of colour and women living in the 1930s which is why these slurs appear.
More information can be found here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/z8q3dmn
I’m not the most well-read person but surely there must be other literature out there which is suitable for studying at this level which doesn’t include slurs?
I don’t think labeling an argument you disagree with as one of the canonical logical fallacies is helpful. A lot of history is very uncomfortable. Literature of those times obviously has those same aspects which can make historical eras sometimes uncomfortable for people not accustomed to facing these facts. I do not thinking firmly placing your head in the sand when encountering disturbing or uncomfortable ideas is a healthy way to progress, and is most definitely not a way to approach an AP class. I guess we could just pretend that bad shit never existed, so that we can be sure to repeat those experiences.
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It comes down to teacher preparation and skills. Way back in the day I remember covering Huckleberry Finn. The slurs were not just kind of skipped over or minimized. It brought up several great discussions about historical wrongs, about the problem with judging people outside of the world they live in, changes that have happened since, and how much we still need to learn. I have no doubt that a less skilled educator could do far worse, not addressing the elephant in the room which could make the situation uncomfortable and even hurtful to certain students. In that I agree with you. I just don’t find that a legitimate reason to just ban certain books. It seems like so much bad that has happened with education has been spurred by outside forces deciding what they think education should be.
It is so similar to people who truly believe that they could successfully run a restaurant, based on the fact that they have eaten at many restaurants over the years. Pay teachers better, ensure only experienced and involved teachers teach classes where a softer, more nuanced approach is needed, etc.
I just really have a knee jerk reaction when people want to ban stuff for reasons based on feelings.