• Delphia@lemmy.world
    3063·
    9 个月前

    Nsfw, Nsfl, and “Porn”

    I like nsfw memes but dont want my feed full of porn. I have a seperate account for porn.

    • FrederikNJS@lemm.ee
      68·
      9 个月前

      Yes, a renaissance artwork that contains naked women, actual hardcore porn, and a Russian soldier being blown to pieces in Ukraine, should not occupy the same “NSFW” tag…

      Of course there’s going to be grey area stuff, but 3 buckets like this is much much better than a single “everything people might not want to see” bucket.

    • Corroded@leminal.spaceEnglish
      14·
      9 个月前

      I feel like the lines at that point get way too blurred. It would be like having a “porn” and “full blown porn” tag or hardcore versus softcore.

      I will admit a distinct NSFW tag could be good for somewhat taboo stuff like mildly offensive jokes for example.

      • ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub
        8·
        9 个月前

        Would be kind of hilarious. You can have one normal tag like “serious” is for ask lemmy, then a million tags like soft core, forced, NSFL, etc…

        Like the fediverse would be catering to SO MUCH PORN at that point

        • Corroded@leminal.spaceEnglish
          3·
          9 个月前

          I don’t think it would mean much with each instance having their own rules.

          I can only imagine instances arguing and defederating from each other because they have different rules regarding tagging.

      • tehmics@lemmy.world
        41·
        9 个月前

        What if we just had specific tags that we could filter for. everything gets the nsfw tag but we have specific tags for nudity, violence, etc.

        • Corroded@leminal.spaceEnglish
          1·
          9 个月前

          I’m not sure my concern would still be blurred lines and people either forgetting to use tags or not realizing how or when to use them. For example a news article about police violence getting tagged with the violence tag on some instances but not others.

          I’m also opposed to auto or over moderation and I feel like it’s one of those things that could potentially push Lemmy in that direction eventually.

        • Hildegarde@lemmy.world
          9·
          9 个月前

          You’re only seeing celebrity pics because that is the only SFW community on lemmynsfw. By default most lemmy instances hide NSFW posts unless you’re logged in with an account set to show NSFW. They are running 0.18.3-nsfwpatch, so if you navigate there directly you will see everything, but viewing lemmynsfw logged out from another instance will only show you celebrity pictures.

            • Comment105@lemm.eeOP
              3·
              9 个月前

              So Lemmy is the Linux of smut, watch a 15 min tutorial and you’ll probably have it set up. If not, it’s comprehensive troubleshooting time! That’s always the sexiest part anyways.

        • streetfestival@lemmy.caEnglish
          6·
          9 个月前

          You need to enable ‘NSFW’ content in settings, which probably requires an account. Without that, you just see ‘SFW’ content (on feeds, at least), which is as you describe

    • pascal@lemm.ee
      5·
      9 个月前

      NSFW is an American construct, in Europe people don’t get scared by nudity. If Lemmy is truly worldwide, we can get rid of it.

        • pascal@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          9 个月前

          People would literally rather care more about why are you on lemmy or reddit during work time than your sexual preferences.

    • TheCee@programming.dev
      48·
      9 个月前

      This and also

      • politics or religious
      • dull stuff like sports

      By “porn”, I suppose you mean nudity?

      • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.eeEnglish
        241·
        9 个月前

        I’m confused on what your question is

        A content warning tag is similar to a spoiler tag, but you can fill out the warning yourself. So you could type something like “movie ending spoiler” or on Mastodon you’ll see considerate triggers like “TW: suicide” for various trigger warnings.

        Which the ability for that makes more sense then having multiple individual tags. Also ActivityPub supports it already anyways, and it works nicely on Mastodon

        • keefshape@lemmy.world
          61·
          9 个月前

          Cool, thanks. There was no disingenuousness in my query, just lack of info combined with apathy to go make yet another mastodon account I will likelt never revisit, for info gathering.

          • thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee
            2·
            9 个月前

            Basically when you add a content warning on Masto it’ll just display that content warning in people’s feeds but hide the actual content, unless they choose to click and expand. Blurs any attached images too. So you sort of know what you’re in for if something is marked “CW: pet loss” for example, and can choose whether that’s something you want to look at.

            I think there’s a setting somewhere to automatically expand CW posts if you’re not fussed about things like that, but it’s helpful for people who do have a common trigger.

            Pretty slick feature tbh!

  • JokeDeity@lemm.ee
    50·
    9 个月前

    I haven’t seen anything gorey here, luckily. I would much rather see an automatic video tag for both titles and comments. Kind of sick of opening YouTube unintentionally.

  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
    401·
    9 个月前

    RIGHT!?!?! Like I hate taking a gamble on whether I’ll see an infected maggot ridden foot or a big breasted cat girl turning into a Willy Wonka blueberry.

    At least I did on Reddit, I can’t get the porn to show up on Lemmy outside of one or two completely dead instances I have to go out of my way for.

    • Comment105@lemm.eeOP
      12·
      9 个月前

      Some of these responses seem to find bouncers and springers more gross than wounds, death and diseases. Like a bunch of psycho puritan Catholic warmongers.

        • Comment105@lemm.eeOP
          2·
          9 个月前

          Melons and popsicles.

          Sandbags and beercans.

          Milkjugs and wieners.

          I’m trying to make it American friendly, they’re very sensitive people when it comes to this type of thing. Images of Auschwitz would be mild to them if it weren’t for how naked all the people were.

  • Schwim Dandy@reddthat.com
    24·
    9 个月前

    Absolutely. Throwing everything that you may not want to open at work in with hardcore porn as an all-or-nothing view choice is incredibly shortsighted.

    • SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net
      2·
      9 个月前

      Yeah, porn stars would appreciate being able to see their work without having to expose themselves to Gore et al

  • WarmSoda@lemm.ee
    3718·
    9 个月前

    Just do NSFW and PORN.
    Porn is the reason for wanting a distinction, so don’t beat around the bush.

    • Perfide@reddthat.com
      55·
      9 个月前

      No, the NSFL tag is more important imo. I don’t mind seeing tits randomly, I do not wanna see gore ever, period.

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
        68·
        9 个月前

        Even NSFL could be ideally split into NSFL and ENSFL (Extremely Not Safe for Life)

        I don’t mind seeing like an X-RAY of somebody who broke their arm in 4 places, but a photo of it IRL and blood everywhere is ENSFL

        • Lightdm@feddit.de
          12·
          9 个月前

          But I don’t think an X-RAY would even qualify as NSFL, would it? I mean you see that factually, that probably hurts, but you get zero impression of it.
          Kinda like fotos of the atomic bomb explosions from WW2. You know some people are suffering in the very moment that foto was taken, but you can’t see it, so it’s not NSFL.
          Or do you have a dofferent oppinion?

      • kib48@lemm.eeEnglish
        101·
        9 个月前

        at that point it’d probably be better to just have a CW system like Mastodon

    • CleoTheWizard@beehaw.orgEnglish
      11·
      9 个月前

      That’s not what the terms are aimed at though? NSFW covers a very broad range of things. You expect it to be pork 95% of the time, so it already means that. The main thing people want to separate are things like gore, death, racism, etc. So that’s what is being asked for. Separate links out because a NSFL link should seldom be clicked on but imo deserves to exist for discussion and calling out people on legitimate issues.

      I was never a fan of the “death porn” put on Reddit but I do appreciate the real and unsanitized reality of some situations when the news can’t show them.

  • SGG@lemmy.worldEnglish
    203·
    9 个月前

    NSFW and NSFL can mean different things to different people and cultures.

    Best example is that in some countries, showing a boob isn’t straight away NSFW as much as it is in America.

    Opposite example: In America, showing blood is almost G rated at this point (at least it feels that way to a non-American watching American media). In China you effectively can’t show blood in any media.

    As has been mentioned in the comments already one solution would be more specific categories, probably customizable by site admins to suit their particular site culture. Either that or a site can stick to just a single NSFW tag to donate a more “hey, this might not be the best thing to look at”.

    • thepreciousboar@lemm.ee
      1·
      9 个月前

      The distinction is made to differentiate between two very different and clearly separated categories, one being just inapproriate to show around (a boob on your phone in a public is inappropriate pretty much everywhere, not just in the puritan US) and straight disturbing content that you might never want to see, even in private.

      Different customizeable categories would be needlessly complicated to implement in every client

  • Abnorc@lemm.ee
    8·
    9 个月前

    I can see many people in the comments mentioning various levels of specificity for the tags. I think porn and gore should perhaps have a tag each. Maybe one or two more categories, but having too many would complicate posting on Lemmy a lot. For example, whether or not to put a politics tag may be ambiguous in some cases. I’m not sure about historical artwork, as there are situations where it’s normal to be viewing it. There are also some works that I’d rather not be seen looking at in all places: some of that stuff got weird. Not to mention: people marking things NSFW as a joke just confuses things further.

    I never noticed it being a big problem though. I think just having one, two , maybe three different tags at most and letting communities play it by ear would work fine.

  • AndreTelevise@lemm.ee
    328·
    9 个月前

    NSFL is just another name for gore or footage of death or injury. “Not safe for life” is not a thing. There’s no actual image that can kill you unless you have epilepsy or some other form of photosensitivity. I heard “Not safe for looking” but that’s an idiotic acronym, and most people don’t interpret NSFL that way at first, and it still has the connotation that it can physically harm you for some reason.

    • Kazevic@lemmy.world
      10·
      9 个月前

      I think nobody thinks about NSFL as some form of physical damage, but as something that could get you traumatized.

    • jpj007@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 个月前

      I always thought it was “Not Safe For Lunch”, as in it could be vomit-inducing.

    • Comment105@lemm.eeOP
      405·
      9 个月前

      Screw that nonsense. Trash exists and should be binned, your comment case-in-point.

      • PatFusty@lemm.ee
        414·
        9 个月前

        Downvotes basically allows for dogpiling and allows stupid people to circlejerk. Also, i am perfectly ok with getting downvotes but others are not. These weak boned sensitive weenies delete their comments the first sign that people disagree so thats why you see everyone agreeing on everything. This is compounded with the fact that the fediverse is a series of bubbles so, for instance, i will immediately know I will disagree with someone if they have a lemmigrad or hexbear in their name.

        • 🇰 🔵 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
          18·
          9 个月前

          Downvotes basically allows for dogpiling and allows stupid people to circlejerk

          Upvotes can be used to dogpile misinformation and also to circle jerk. I’ve always felt this argument against down votes is weak, at best. Might as well get rid of voting entirely.

          • Comment105@lemm.eeOP
            5·
            9 个月前

            And so can comments. Better remove all of them to protect the public from excessive disapproval or approval.

        • Scubus@sh.itjust.works
          91·
          9 个月前

          If they delete their comment because it got down voted, it wasn’t worth having their opinion on pemmy to begin with. I love when the trash takes itself out.

    • Dagrothus@reddthat.com
      27·
      9 个月前

      Downvotes help to mitigate disinformation, ads, etc. It’s a big reason why old reddit posts are such a good resource for so many topics. When any random idiot can get their garbage upvoted at the same rate as an actually useful comment, you end up with Facebook or those copy paste/AI articles at the top of Google searches.

      • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.one
        3·
        9 个月前

        🔥Hot take - I think unless the post being disagreed with is some kind of troll or spam post, the op or ocer might appreciate a discussion around it.

        People usually disagree because they view something from a different perspective, and most times that perspective could be a valuable thing to share IMO

    • Lord_ToRA@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      9 个月前

      Downvotes shouldn’t be used for simply “I disagree” but “this content does not belong”, otherwise I would agree with you.

      • Val@lemm.eeEnglish
        15·
        9 个月前

        If you think something doesn’t belong just ignore it. It does no harm by existing. If the downvote does anything people will use it for disagreeing.

        I think disagreeing should be should be voiced in a reply instead so it becomes clear why you disagree.

        • Lord_ToRA@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          9 个月前

          It does no harm by existing.

          Wat. I mean, not all comments but there are many many times where it does. Misinformation/disinformation, general toxicity, or just being completely off-topic. These types of comments can destroy a community if left unchecked.

          • Val@lemm.eeEnglish
            13·
            9 个月前

            Misinformation should be handled by moderation. Toxicity should be ignored because recognizing it gives it power. Off topic comments can easily be collapsed (or maybe there should be a method to mark them as off-topic by moderators) and off topic posts should be removed.

            • thereisalamp@reddthat.com
              4·
              9 个月前

              We don’t live in your world of shoulds and unto the human race can grow up and not be awful to each other you can’t just rely on mods.

              Finally, mods do this work for free, and if they want no downvotes, the instances exist.

            • Lord_ToRA@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              9 个月前

              That’s a lot to put on the moderators, not to mention it provides a way for the community to help decide what content does not belong. Moderators are far from infallible and can’t read every single comment. Downvotes help clue mods into what they should look over.

    • Nahvi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      9 个月前

      I am not a fan of this idea, but there are instances with no down vote button. If you prefer it no down vote button, it isn’t too hard to find those instances.

    • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.one
      6·
      9 个月前

      There are lemmy instances where downvotes are disabled. It also affects the sorting ‘algorithm’ too IIRC, so browsing on a no-downvote instance vs the opposite can yield quite a different looking feed.

      It also allows you to look at content from a different perspective, rather than passing by something that’s been bonked with tons of downvotes.

      Active moderation is pretty key though where there isn’t the possibility to downvote, mainly because off topic/spam content can’t be downvoted and won’t disappear from feeds unless deleted by a mod.

      Lemmy mods are generally really proactive with removing spam/offtopic stuff IMO, so I’d say to give it a shot if you’re interested. A lot of no-downvote instances aren’t federated with lemmy.world though, and my current one has closed signups so it might be tricky.