• beautiful_boater [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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    Just when I think I have seen the high watermark of Nazi whitewashing and Cold War Soviet equivocation, weeks like this come along. I am now convinced that we are a few weeks away from a Liberal saying something to the effect of “Look the Holocaust was bad, but the Nazis were just trying to liberate the peoples of Eastern Europe from Russian colonization. The Nazis were bold freedom fighters, even if they made mistakes like Judeo-Bolshevism causing them to equate the real evil of the Soviets with innocent Jews.”

  • Quaxamilliom [comrade/them]@hexbear.netOP
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    Also hilarious that the submission to /r/pics, titled “Zelensky and Trudeau applauding Ukrainian Nazi veteran Yaroslav Hunka in the Canadian parliament.” has only 40 upvotes but 300+ comments.

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    It is a privilege non-Europeans have… to point at someome and say, you are a Nazi because you wore an SS uniform.

    Retrospectively cancelling the British, French, and Soviet judges at the Nuremberg Trials where the SS was determined to be a criminal organization because of the judges’ Non-European privilege.

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    Crazy how they can be so antisocialist that theyend up rooting for Nazis. As far as im concerned, if you give me two options and one of them is Nazis, there is only one option. Also, a probable Nazi just talked to me and I need to take a shower

  • muddi [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Fighting against Stalin does not mean you are fighting for nazism

    Hitler or Stalin. Pick one because in the 1940s there was no other choice.

    So which is it? Dilemma or not?

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      Look, just because I wore a Nazi uniform, fought in a Nazi division, and fought against enemies of the Nazis, doesn’t mean I was a Nazi.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I would like to remind everyone that when the 4th Reich finally got their fascist paws on the files of the great and terrible STASI’s records they were able to identify seven extrajudicial murders. Think about that for a moment.

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      It’s a good example of the actual mechanism and outcomes of the propaganda used against Americans and other westerners. The actual facts of what the Stasi was and how it operated are pretty analogous to the FBI in the US, and to other semi-secret national police outfits in other countries. They were shitty, thuggish cops who constantly overreached… and their arrest rates were in the same ballpark as what the FBI did (from my understanding of the data, the FBI actually arrested *more *people per capita in 1989? The data I’m looking up is a little fuzzy). The western propaganda latches on to interesting factoids like the extensive nature of their registered informant network, and then use that to spin yarns about how “like a giant octopus, the Stasi’s tentacles probed every aspect of life”, and then they put that quote on the fucking wikipedia page about them.

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        also the reason the stasi’s networks were as broad as they were is because they were the group that handled noise complaints and things like that. The neighbours calling the cops on you for playing loud music at 3am doesn’t make you a political arrest

        Germany has laws about what day laundry can be done and similarly the stasi were the ones enforcing those laws

  • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Actually kinda bloomer that a sub like /r/pics is downvoting this comment and the upvoted comments (that I saw) were mostly good. One upvoted comment was like “How could Russia do this” (sarcastically) and a replier was talking about how he saw people saying that unironically. Is the narrative starting to turn or is it just because applauding a Nazi is actually a bridge too far for them.

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      I’m really hoping this moment starts to crash the propaganda party line. It’s just so mask-off, it cranks the cognitive dissonance to the breaking point for anyone with a bit of reasoning.

      Maybe I’m being too bloomer about it, but I take what I can get these days.

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      I don’t think the narrative will turn, Russia is still bad and Ukraine is still good. But people are more aware of the most blatant propaganda and are annoyed by it.

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    I used to be friends with a guy who would say stuff like this pretty often lmao

    So glad I stopped trying to fit in with tech bros now

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    actually quite a lot of europe can comfortably say that the SS and their collaborators were murdering bastards only the worst people from the Baltics struggle with that one