• MeshPotato@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    E-Scooters and E-Bikes can and should be treated like their petrol powered equivalents.

    Stay below a maximum power output. In Europe that max is 200w. They should be no more than assisted bicycles.

    If you want to go a bit faster then you’re looking at a pedal assisted motorcycle. A MOPED (MOtor + PEDals). Those are limited to 45-50kmh.

    If you want to go faster than even that, it’s a motorcycle. Just an electric one. Even with motorcycles you have a bunch of categories. In Europe the A1, A2 and fully open category.

    We can open up new paths for A1 which are commonly used by deliver riders to encourage people to get away from car culture.

    That would solve the whole issue of people people being idiots on them and the state can make a bit if income through licensing. I’d rather see that than an outright ban as we want smart regulation and innovation.

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      1 year ago

      There are power limits on ebikes & PMDs, but the primary restriction that gets publicised about them is speed limits. By law they are required to be speed-limited to 25 km/h. On ebikes, this is their limit under pedal assist. When coasting downhill, or if the cyclist’s legs are strong enough, they can go over that, but zero motor assistance is allowed at that point. They must be entirely pedal assist, not throttle based (with the exception that you can have power without pedalling up to 6 km/h to help you get started). The power limit is 250 W, the same as the standard in Europe.

      PMDs are limited to 25 km/h. Full stop. Under no circumstances can they exceed that. I can’t find any rules around maximum power for these. I don’t think there is one. There’s a 200 W limit on “wheeled recreational services”, but these are a separate category from personal mobility devices under the law, meant more as toys than serious modes of transport.

      • MeshPotato@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Well, and there are a lot of them on the road that are illegal because their power and speed exceed the legal limit.

        IMHO that doesn’t need to be the case. Just as it is with moat drugs like Cannabis. I’m advocating for legalisation of faster E-Scooters amd E-Bikes with the right legislation.

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          1 year ago

          Oh I see! Yeah I think that’s completely reasonable.

          I would actually start out by increasing the speed for ebikes up to 30 or 32 km/h. This would not be without precedent, since Americans use 20 mph the same way we use 25 km/h now, but 20 mph is closer to 32 km/h.

          But allowing scooters or ebikes at even higher speeds than that to be treated similarly to light motorbikes is a pretty good idea too. I think we’d need better infrastructure to support that though.