I’ve heard absolute loads of homophobic BS from Christians and especially anti-trans stuff lately, so fuck off with the singling out Islam bigotry. All religious people are capable of hate, as much as they claim to be above it all (at least the ones dumb enough to openly express hate).
I agree with you that all religions are shit, but I think it’s important and we should be able to point out when a specific religion is fucking us up.
In Berlin there has been a lot of homophobic attacks coming from the muslim community, especially in that area where there are a lot of them.
Maybe you were unware of that, but I think its very very likely that the attackers were muslims.
That doesn’t mean that Christianity is better, nor any other religion, but do we really need to be pointing out the homophobia in the muslim religion and ALWAYS followed by and Christianity is also shitty? There are posts criticizing the homophobic and transphobic acts that Christians have been doing lately too.
Okay but give me one theocratic Christian country that openly kills people for being gay. We’re not going to abolish bigotry in the world without admitting that the Middle East and Islam is especially fucked up when it comes to LGBT rights
That’s not what a theocracy is. Plenty of politicians around the world use religion to gain support from the public. Some of the only surviving theocracies exist only in the Middle East.
Religion is a useful tool for Putin, but he isn’t subservient to any religious leader.
You moved the goal post out of the conversation. Good job on being uselessly correct, dumbass. All religions when in power do fucked up stuff but you’re hell bent on ignoring most of them.
yes but if you read the article linked in the reddit theread anouther comment mentioned this was in Berlin-Neukölln, which is predominantly muslim and known to have issues with (esp. young men/boys) radicals opposing queer people.
Yes, but if you read my message again, it’s responding to someone attempting to claim Islam is worse. It is not.
I seriously hope the US doesn’t have to go ALL the way down the road of fascism to prove to the world that Christians are just as bigoted and stupid. Just because our news refuses to label so many hate crimes and acts of violence as bigoted hate crimes does not absolve non-Islam religions.
I totally agree that christians (or any religion/religion-like structure) can be and in the case of Christianity often is just as bad.
it’s responding to someone claiming islam is worse
that’s not how I read the comment. I read it as in this case it would make sense to assume the attackers were muslims.
My response was intended to say that in this exact case that would probably be a reasonable assumption.
I want to make it clear that I do not think that it is generally significantly more likely for the islam faith to cause queerphobia than it would be for any other one.
It is just that in this particular region (Berlin-Neukölln) and demographic (young men) that would be the most likely perputrators.
You can single out both Islam and Christianity, as these are the main fundamentalist “big” religions with anti-LGBT+ actors. No other religion has mass haters towards LGBT+ crowd.
In India both Hindu and Sikh community’s have avid followers who’ve done homophobic attacks, they don’t get as much attention because of all the other violence they do such as against women
I am from India. There are incidents, but very uncommon, because LGBT people have existed as “kinnar/hijda” for centuries here. There are no active organisations or groups that hate LGBT people. It is not because of patriarchy against women. Both groups do not have to be oppressed and binded together everywhere in the world, just because Christianity and Islam dominated countries oppress both women and LGBT crowds.
I’ve had many long conversations with a gay Indian friend, his experiences really don’t match the rose tinted version of things you’re portraying.
And of course we don’t even need to go into the treatment of women everywhere but the middle class portions of the nose progressive cities, everyone is very well aware of the problems.
Homophobia is not a religion-only issue. There are many LGBT hate crimes happening all over the world and all the time. The world in its entirity has failed LGBT, and to single out Muslims or Christians is to ignore those issues happening in other places.
My reply was only for the above comment, not for the overall situation, since they were talking in the context of religion, where only one religion was supposed to be bad.
Christians are obsessed with persecuting LGBT as well, but Islam is on a whole other level. People are still getting stoned to death for being LGBT in Muslim countries. This is supported by their laws. In any Christian majority country, they would be thrown in prison for murder for doing this, at the very least. In some Muslim countries, you would be thrown in prison for trying to stop the murder.
I’m not saying that Christians never commit acts of violence against LGBT, but Muslims do so a lot more in current times.
In my opinion, the world would be better off without all of the Abrahamic religions. Is being an Abrahamicphobe wrong?
I do think they are salivating to do the same. They just aren’t in charge of any countries. Not all Muslims are bad either, but a good chunk of the worst ones seem to be in charge of some whole countries in an authoritarian way. That’s the difference.
I said that both are terrible for the world, and I hate them both equally. I have Islamic family, and I still hate it.
Also, idk why you had to downvote me. Just conversating here. Just sharing the fact that, in reality, LGBT are being killed by one group in particular. Hope you have a nice day ya crabapple.
I mean if you were going to guess the religion of those involved… yeah, Islam would be the one right?
Moderations pretty hard tbh, sorry your post got taken down bro.
I’ve heard absolute loads of homophobic BS from Christians and especially anti-trans stuff lately, so fuck off with the singling out Islam bigotry. All religious people are capable of hate, as much as they claim to be above it all (at least the ones dumb enough to openly express hate).
I agree with you that all religions are shit, but I think it’s important and we should be able to point out when a specific religion is fucking us up.
In Berlin there has been a lot of homophobic attacks coming from the muslim community, especially in that area where there are a lot of them.
Maybe you were unware of that, but I think its very very likely that the attackers were muslims.
That doesn’t mean that Christianity is better, nor any other religion, but do we really need to be pointing out the homophobia in the muslim religion and ALWAYS followed by and Christianity is also shitty? There are posts criticizing the homophobic and transphobic acts that Christians have been doing lately too.
Okay but give me one theocratic Christian country that openly kills people for being gay. We’re not going to abolish bigotry in the world without admitting that the Middle East and Islam is especially fucked up when it comes to LGBT rights
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Thanks lol, this is the laugh I needed today
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That’s not what a theocracy is. Plenty of politicians around the world use religion to gain support from the public. Some of the only surviving theocracies exist only in the Middle East.
Religion is a useful tool for Putin, but he isn’t subservient to any religious leader.
You moved the goal post out of the conversation. Good job on being uselessly correct, dumbass. All religions when in power do fucked up stuff but you’re hell bent on ignoring most of them.
Good job missing the forest for the trees.
The current state of India with BJP goverment.
Source: CIA
https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/panic_defense_bans
In Berlin it’s basically given the perpetrators were Muslims.
yes but if you read the article linked in the reddit theread anouther comment mentioned this was in Berlin-Neukölln, which is predominantly muslim and known to have issues with (esp. young men/boys) radicals opposing queer people.
Yes, but if you read my message again, it’s responding to someone attempting to claim Islam is worse. It is not.
I seriously hope the US doesn’t have to go ALL the way down the road of fascism to prove to the world that Christians are just as bigoted and stupid. Just because our news refuses to label so many hate crimes and acts of violence as bigoted hate crimes does not absolve non-Islam religions.
I totally agree that christians (or any religion/religion-like structure) can be and in the case of Christianity often is just as bad.
I want to make it clear that I do not think that it is generally significantly more likely for the islam faith to cause queerphobia than it would be for any other one. It is just that in this particular region (Berlin-Neukölln) and demographic (young men) that would be the most likely perputrators.
The vast majority of anti-LGBT attacks in Europe, or even Germany specifically, are not Muslim.
We got sources on that?
You can single out both Islam and Christianity, as these are the main fundamentalist “big” religions with anti-LGBT+ actors. No other religion has mass haters towards LGBT+ crowd.
In India both Hindu and Sikh community’s have avid followers who’ve done homophobic attacks, they don’t get as much attention because of all the other violence they do such as against women
I am from India. There are incidents, but very uncommon, because LGBT people have existed as “kinnar/hijda” for centuries here. There are no active organisations or groups that hate LGBT people. It is not because of patriarchy against women. Both groups do not have to be oppressed and binded together everywhere in the world, just because Christianity and Islam dominated countries oppress both women and LGBT crowds.
I’ve had many long conversations with a gay Indian friend, his experiences really don’t match the rose tinted version of things you’re portraying.
And of course we don’t even need to go into the treatment of women everywhere but the middle class portions of the nose progressive cities, everyone is very well aware of the problems.
Homophobia is not a religion-only issue. There are many LGBT hate crimes happening all over the world and all the time. The world in its entirity has failed LGBT, and to single out Muslims or Christians is to ignore those issues happening in other places.
My reply was only for the above comment, not for the overall situation, since they were talking in the context of religion, where only one religion was supposed to be bad.
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Christians are obsessed with persecuting LGBT as well, but Islam is on a whole other level. People are still getting stoned to death for being LGBT in Muslim countries. This is supported by their laws. In any Christian majority country, they would be thrown in prison for murder for doing this, at the very least. In some Muslim countries, you would be thrown in prison for trying to stop the murder.
I’m not saying that Christians never commit acts of violence against LGBT, but Muslims do so a lot more in current times.
In my opinion, the world would be better off without all of the Abrahamic religions. Is being an Abrahamicphobe wrong?
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I do think they are salivating to do the same. They just aren’t in charge of any countries. Not all Muslims are bad either, but a good chunk of the worst ones seem to be in charge of some whole countries in an authoritarian way. That’s the difference.
I said that both are terrible for the world, and I hate them both equally. I have Islamic family, and I still hate it.
Also, idk why you had to downvote me. Just conversating here. Just sharing the fact that, in reality, LGBT are being killed by one group in particular. Hope you have a nice day ya crabapple.
Sure it could be. Just wondering are you a muslim? I mean I know that there are progressive muslims. Not trying to attack you or anything :)
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