Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like “liberal” and “conservative”.
A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as “to the left” or “to the right” of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.
Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source
Be all that as it may, but sweet fuck all percent of you actually vote, so what difference will it make?
I have been having arguments with idiots telling me “not voting isn’t inaction” or “the lesser of two evils” is how we got to where we are now
No. Not voting is literally doing nothing. You are helping their voter suppression efforts. And we got here not because of “the lesser evil” getting worse over time but because historically we only have 40-50% voter turnout for the last few decades.
Democrats have shifted more conservative because progressives hardly vote. I say that as a progressive. If it wasn’t true then Bernie would have won the primary, but he had a ton of support from young voters and then younger voters only had like 10-15% turnout.
Its more nuanced than that. Democrats actively fucked over Bernie. You’re right that voting is the bare minimum action required, but you’re wrong in that the “lesser evil” is exactly how we’ve gotten here.
Democrats did work together to beat Bernie, but he had overwhelming support and then very few people came to vote for him. All because the same people that mostly supported him are also the same people that think voting is pointless.
Again, I say that as someone who voted for him in the primary in 2016 and 2020. I still have my coffee mugs and fridge magnets from donating.
Also please reread what I said. I’m not saying the “lesser evil” is how we got here, I’m saying idiots think that. And voting is not the bare minimum. I’d argue it’s better to vote and not donate or help than it is to donate and help then not vote. Voting is quite literally the opposite of bare minimum.
Reread my comment. The lesser evil is exactly how we got here. I don’t know how anyone could fail to see it. Republicans move to the right, Democrats are slightly less right than they are, repeat for decades and here we are.
You seem to think that the system will give us the tools needed to dismantle it. That’s simply not true. I agree that voting is important but voting Democrat is not going to fix anything. Look at the last 35 years of Democrats repeatedly failing to deliver on their promises and fucking over the left.
The problem is that people think they can outwit the fundamentals.
You need to vote EVERYTIME - even if it’s pointless - because you need to complete the tit-for-tat exchange. If you do not complete the exchange, then you have lost all of your leverage. This is negotiation 101.
Even if you don’t vote Democrat, you need to vote for someone - you cannot abstain, this is always the worst option. Voter suppression is obviously a different story, but if you’re choosing not to vote, you are not suppressed.
Look at the last 35 years of awful voter turnout because those who actively choose not to vote think they can’t change the system because the system is broken, therefore they do nothing to change the system. It’s self defeating.
Countries that have a much higher voter turnout, proportional representation, and/or multiple choice voting didn’t happen overnight. It happened because the people worked towards it when breaking away from monarchs.
By choosing not to vote because you, or others, think it’s a flawed system, you are actively helping the GOP suppress your vote. You’re just too naive and idealistic to realize it.
Sucks to see you refuse to discuss in good faith. I said I agree that voting is important yet you insist on arguing about it. I recommend learning to consider other people’s viewpoints, you might learn something.
I’ll leave you with a question to ponder. Why aren’t Democrats inspiring people to vote for them?
I’m not the one arguing in bad faith. You said voting for Democrats does nothing. That leaves you with voting Republican, which I know you aren’t, or not voting.
You can donate to campaigns and volunteer thousands of hours. But at the end of the day when you, and millions of people that think like you do, don’t vote, it doesn’t matter. 90 million registered voters didn’t even vote in the last election. We don’t even know the number of people who could register but aren’t. Plus the millions of people that don’t down ballot vote.
If you want change, start pushing for it in your local elections. Vote progressive in county, city, and district elections. Build a movement and support with real evidence to show for it to potential voters.
Or just don’t vote because the system is broken and it will never get fixed because I won’t vote in a broken system.
Democrats aren’t inspiring people to vote for them, because even when they are inspired, they don’t vote. For evidence, see Bernie Sanders.
None of this was an option in the voting booth. Genocide Joe didn’t do shit about any of this and kamalacaust promised the exact same thing.
People here talk about republicans being delusional but the dems are just as bad.