• Makeshift@sh.itjust.works
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    7 days ago

    The keyword there is experience.

    You are a subject. Suffering isn’t an object, it’s a feeling. A concept.

    Subjective doesn’t mean “not real”. It’s something that needs a subject to exist. The suffering, just like morals, do exist. They are real, they can be measured, they can be discussed, they have real effects.

    What makes them subjective isn’t “well that’s like, just your opinion, man”, it’s the fact that without a subject to experience them, they would cease to exist.

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      7 days ago

      To you I am subjective. But from where I am sitting it isn’t.

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        7 days ago

        You have a physical presence in space. That’s objective. Emphasis on object. Something being objective doesn’t mean “this is a fact”, it means it has physical form.

        The pain you feel is not an object. It’s an experience. Again, that does not translate to “that’s your opinion”. It is real, it simply is not a physical object.

        Objective and Subjective are both real. They’re mind and matter, not opinions and facts.

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          5 days ago

          Woah there buddy, I said suffering. Not Pain. Distinct difference that nullifies your point as it’s completely irrelevant, talking about something else sorry.