What conservatives don’t understand is we know you’re full of shit because you raised us. You idealize about a time that never was and we know it because we watched it destroy you. We were all raised in broken homes because you broke them. We watched the war on drugs destroy our neighborhoods because you were the ones who were xenophobic. We know this is all fantasy because we watched you fail and we don’t want that for ourselves or anyone.

So please. Keep your fetishes in the bed room.

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    The only reason the blue collar man in the meme can afford a suburban home, a large family and free time on one income is because of very large taxes on the rich and very high rates of unionization. If people have these and choose to be trad-idiots, fine, so long as other people can also have these things and be free to choose to not be trad-idiots.

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    In the 1950s Americans bought almost nothing they couldn’t afford in cash. Consumption of non-necessities was very low by comparison to today. If people want to live like they did in the 1950s USA we need to all join unions, stop buying stuff, and have the industrial capacity of the rest of the world be destroyed by war.

    Personally I’d prefer focusing on the present and future rather than glorification of the past.

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      My favorite was the one who made cereal from scratch which took hours. It turns out her husband is related to Joseph Smith the creator of Mormonism which is why she had the money to spend her day making a bowl of cereal as she has nannies to do the actual mothering.

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    The issue is not the ideal. The issue is the methods used to achieve those ideals. Made worse with their denial and repression of others ideals that don’t align with their own.

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      No, the idea is inherently patriarchal and racist. The idea is fantasy because, no, people can’t afford a home and three kids on a single person’s income.

      The people who made this work were privileged whites benefiting from generational wealth while the rest got clothes lined by the real fucking world.

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      The issue is also the ideal, one man, one woman, 2.5 kids, a dog, an incredibly inefficient suburban lifestyle. The American dream was a racist, classist far right fantasy that can’t exist at the same time as evel surface level equality under capitalism. Even if you randomize the races and genders involved, you’re still effectively living your ideal by submitting to the ideal economic unit for advertisers, not yourself.

      It’s rotten from the core, and downright evil to want. No matter how you work towards this ideal you’re going to trample the rights of others and objectively make the world worse with your existence.

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          Fair, rephrased and reorganized:

          The picture depicts the “American dream” or “nuclear family.” This consists of a straight white Christian man with a moderately well paying job, a wife that’s exclusively a home maker, two kids of different sex, and at least a dog and two cars in a house with a lawn surrounded by a white picket fence.

          This ideal was developed by marketing companies and the US government for a few purposes:

          One; it is an incredibly diverse marketing unit. You have an adult male to market towards, an adult female that needs new appliances and groceries, a little bit that will need sports gear and whatever throwaway that like baseball cards, a girl that needs clothes and makeup, a lawn that needs accessories, a stand alone house that needs constant maintenance, two different cars each requiring regular new purchases to maintain. If every family is like this, companies know exactly what to market to who and how to present their products. It also increases and diversifies consumer spending compared to any other household makeup allowable in 1950s America.

          In otherwords it’s the perfect setup for a capitalist consumer class that will never want better, never want equality, never strive for more. Especially as it’s setup as the American dream, the end goal for every true American.

          Two; its the opposite of the ussr atheistic communism. While it’s a fairly prototypical patriarchal idealist fantasy, it’s also well support by the Bible and all major denominations of Christianity, even the American ones. It avoids any controversial beliefs also supported by that faith, say polygamy or underage marriage or anything of that nature. It also acts to separate families into distinct units that can’t easily rely on each other for support, promoting individualism versus more traditional multigenerational households common in the ussr.

          Because it emphasizes family and individuality while uniquely emphasizing conformity to the norms the government and companies want it’s the perfect counter to communist and socialist grass roots support; which traditionally start with comparisons to how (multigenerational) family households take care of each other to achieve a higher standard of living for everyone.

          In very short this ideal itself is evil, it is not how most of any humans have lived before the 1950s pretty much anywhere, and was artificially created as an ideal to promote consumerism and fight communism. It’s antithetical to the idea of community, commonality or equality.

          Not only are the means previously used to reach this ideal evil (see us actions in the early 20th and 19th centuries in regards to colonialism) the concept itself is abhorrent to anyone that has experienced non consumer societies.

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      The issue is also the disconnect from reality: achieving such an ideal would require policy that is diametrically opposite to what they’re pushing for.

      (apart from the inherent sexism and racism)

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    You said “we” 8 times without once consulting anyone else if this was actually their experience.

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      Ok, tell me about your fantastical childhood.

      Edit: I speak for the people who hid the fact they collected food stamps because they were made ashamed. I speak for the kids in “banana splits” because they didn’t understand divorce meant risk. I speak for all the kids in detention and after-school programs and given the label “troubled youths”.

      So, please tell me about you.

      Edit2: “my” trauma comes with data

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        This was not my experience, except I do agree that the war on drugs has done way more damage than good. The shitty, modern sociopolitical climate you’re projecting onto the past simply is not what I remember of the past.

        EDIT: Again, speaking for others, as if you’re some sort of savior and they are voiceless invalids. Just speak for yourself.

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          You say that but you were there. Your friends were there. You might even have felt awkward and had to lie about your parents being divorced to fit in. Don’t give me some tall tale. Tell me what you saw.

          Edit: I’ll speak for the people who actually need a voice. It’s not trad wife role-playing conservatives. It’s people who are now just trying to make ends meet while the world falls to shit around them.

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            I don’t know what to tell you, I had a pretty great childhood despite being low income. My family were fairly apolitical rednecks. I remember them voting Perot at one point, though. I grew up in a multicultural community in the country, mostly white and hispanic. The only drug problems we witnessed were our hippy stoner uncles.

            Sorry to burst your bubble, bub.

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              You had me until “bub.” My hippie stoner uncles turned out to also be cocaine addicts, pushers, and pimps. Amazing what adults can hide from kids.

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                Sorry to hear that. I think mine were fairly harmless, but you’re right, people can be great at hiding things. They call them skeletons for a reason, I suppose.

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                  Yes sir. It’s time we dig them up and give them a proper burial, and grieve our illusions and dream up a better reality.

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    I know this is hard to believe, but many Americans do enjoy a nice suburban life. This stuff reads like nonsense to a good portion of the country.