Also offensive: pointing out that English speakers do not use the word “American” to refer to people from Latin America. The term in our language is universally used to refer to people from the country America.

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    4 hours ago

    I do not appreciate the accusation of racism. If that’s the kind of tenor this conversation is going to take, I’m not going to engage further.

    This is commentary on a thread that was specifically created to get into the nuances of language surrounding America. So yeah, of course I went into a lot of detail about the origins and why we say what we do.

    • I said that’s how it comes across. I’ve said things in the past that came across as racist/xenophobic/ethnocentric, and I appreciate it when people point it out so I can adjust.

      This just seems like one of those thing where if explaining and defending your position sounds racist/xenophobic/ethnocentric, you should consider changing your position or taking it less seriously

      If you’re unwilling to consider that- yeah, it might be best not to engage further

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        Which part of what I said do you think is racist? Because I simply don’t see it. If anything, the ones being intolerant here are the ones who insist that the way they use words in their language is right and we have to all contort the definitions we’ve used for over a hundred years to match the etymological translation of words they use.

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          I’m intolerant of colonial language. The way “American” is used by English speakers to mean “USAmerican” is actually just US chauvinism. They think they are the center of the world and so of course American only refers to them, even though there’s a bunch of other countries in the Americas and the majority of Americans don’t actually live in the US.

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            The term “American” is colonial regardless of what you apply to it. There is no acknowledgment of the native peoples of the land today called the Americas, regardless of whether you call them all Americans or only those from the country America.

            When faced with multiple different colonial options, I’m going to stick with the one that is short, easy to say, and most widely understood.

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              It’s really funny. Do they think people speak Spanish in the Americas for some reason OTHER than colonialism. Not to mention Vespucci himself not exactly being native. It’s wild out here.

        • Seems to me you’re the one policing others’ language, ultimately suggesting Latin Americans aren’t Americans.

          For “Americans” to refer to only “US Americans” (and make sense), the term necessarily must exclude Latin Americans

          Note: Another user pointed out, I should’ve said ethnocentric rather than racist

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            How on Earth do you think this suggests that?

            The term excludes anyone not from the country of America. The term for people from the continent is either North American or South American.

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            If they want to use it, I’m not going to correct them. If they try to “correct” me for using my language in its most widely accepted manner, that’s when I start getting mad. The only one policing others’ language arethose insisting you cannot call Americans Americans.