principled stances on the Russian and Chinese ruling classes
by “Chinese ruling class” you mean capital owners and not the CPC right?
youre talking abt the billionaires right?
link bc im not a 
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fr, especially in the case of China. like capitalists are still somewhat powerful there, but the Party still has enough power to sufficiently control and discipline them. also “ruling class” a lot of the time is just rightist conspiracy speak for Jews
SAlt was against the lockdowns in China.
so they’re the neocon type of trot? or are they just really dumb
https://www.socialistalternative.org/2022/05/01/shanghai-covid-19-lockdown-reaches-crisis-point/
https://www.socialistalternative.org/2020/04/16/wuhan-lockdown-lifted-after-76-days/
Wonderful talking points such as
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It’s actually nationalistic (and thus bad) for the government to praise the people’s fight against the pandemic
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Pandemic propaganda only exists to serve the Xi Jinping Dictatorship™️
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Xi Jinping is a dictator - the kind liberals think of. And BTW, they only call non-American administrations “dictatorship”
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Coming up with their own vibes-based death toll
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An obsession over the semi-bungled initial months
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“Human wave” of healthcare volunteers
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Being strict about movement within the epicenter is discrimination, actually
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Repeating the right-wing “extreme brutality” meme reporting of Chinese lockdowns
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Repeating the imperialist meme that Chinese citizens were abandoned en masse without supplies
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Being quarantined is literally prison - actually, it’s worse
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Caring about The Economy for some reason
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Not wanting to provide links to any of their sources
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The SeeSeePee must be overthrown
95% of the content in these articles could have just been outsourced to RFA. Then they slap on a sentence about worker ownership of the means of production and call it socialist reporting.
god damn. this is what lemmy libs think a “good” socialist org is!
Wow, they actually said the words “human wave” in your second link. That’s widely known as a nazi talking point.
The Anglo-Russian Unity Committee quote: Go in from the left and end up on the right
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Alternative exists in tandem with Alliance
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SAlt also didn’t win the 15 dollar minimum wage, it was a coalition of democratic party muscle and labor unions (but I repeat myself) that they opportunistically leeched on to in order to grow their ranks.
this is the kind of stolen valor i can get mad at
This is the only problem with Trots, it’s just a very big one
when you meet a trot theyre either a real trot or a neocon. and even the real trots still do the state departments job for them.
is this sectarian? idk if we have any trots on here. i think its possible to have left unity with trots, just very few of them
Yeah I mean I don’t think we have a lot of Trots because basically the only thing we insist on is supporting anti-imperialist struggle and that is like the one thing they refuse to do
I go to a local trot group. I go to a couple of other local leftist groups too when the mood strikes me. I try to interact with a variety of spaces so I can be exposed to different positions and see how I feel about them.
I guess I’m a trot? I hardly think Russia or China are shining examples of communism, and also aren’t great for LGBT rights. Only one way to find out though - it’s a pipe dream but I’d like to travel to China at some point to experience what it’s like over there. (Yes, I know it’s a big country and there are a lot of different parts of China, blah blah blah.) At my core I believe millionaires shouldn’t exist and then I expand my politics from there in any compatible way.
I’m not commenting here to debate my politics, I’m just letting you know that I exist and I continue to love all the comrades of Hexbear whether they be tankies or something else. And you’ve all definitely opened my mind to a brand of leftism that doesn’t see any local representation!
I may be a trot or I may be the ultimate left unity enthusiast. So yay! Love you all.
I spent three weeks in China (Beijing area) about ten years ago on a school trip. Loved every minute of it and part of me wishes I could uproot everything and teach ESL over there or something, but I keep telling myself I need to actually learn mandarin first.
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you should email them pictures of ice picks
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freeze the poop, use it as an ice pick
why do they, as an american, need to have a stance against any foreign leaders? what’s the point of this other than to pick pointless fights with your less chauvinist partymates? what would an american succ even do? tell Xi to knock it off? Impose sanctions? Enact regime change? Carry on business as usual for empire? Wow real awesome work then western left
I’m a firm believer in a philosophy of the ruling class. Especially since I rule.
welcome to Burger King, you rule!
mfw when trots get filled with lib entryists
“I’m super principled I hate everything and understand nothing”
“well you see it’s more nuanced than just USA bad. It’s actually China bad, USA also-bad-but-less-so. In other words my nuance is that we are the good guys (but we could be better) and they are the bad guys. Same as it ever was”
US-designated enemy states are brought up, generalized and condemned before the US is even mentioned, the country this organization exists in and purportedly seeks to change.
Now, who should I put my faith for workers being able to seize the means of production in? The leadership and party cadre of a country with the most people in the world that regularly punishes billionaires, or a tiny American leftist group who hasn’t even managed to place someone in charge of a large American city, let alone bring justice for the working class?
The only thing the 白左 hate more than the ruling class of America is believing something contrary to what said ruling class tells you about other countries.
I had multiple arguments with this person on their multiple accounts. And the only takeaway I had was that they have never done any actual organising and that they really aren’t left at all. I questioned whether they were actually in Socialist Alternative tbh because their responses were so fundamentally bad faith all the time and often came across as lying.
Daily reminder that Irish revolutionaries wanted to enlist the help of the German Kaiser in providing weapons and other military equipment. They purposely timed the Easter Rising while the UK was at war with the Germany empire, but I guess that’s “campism.” Irish people should’ve just marched with “neither Berlin nor London” signs instead.
Marx fundraised for the Ottomans
Lenin worked with the capitalist German government to arrange transport and resources for his return to Russia, they gave him a much needed boost
Mao worked with the national bourgeois to defeat the Japanese invaders and imperialists
Time and time again we see that alleged “campism” is often just pragmatism and necessary coalition forming by states, and socialists who defend those states against western attacks. Yeah, I’m a campist. The real socialist camp. Where the actual socialist global movement is happening, I’m with that camp, I’m siding with them. Deal with it westoids.
