Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.
So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.
But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can’t win without us.
Democrats have been winning without leftists since the 90s. After leftists tanked the 2024 election by not showing up to vote, democrats are better off appealing to centrists like they have every election win since the 90s.
Oh really is that why Obama won? Cause he campaigned on the centrist position of universal healthcare?
Or maybe that’s why Hilary won?
Or maybe that’s why Kamala won?
Democrats failed to even have a conversation about gaza because their thought they could win on centrism, and guess what they fucking lost hard with their prosecutor president.
Leftists consistently lose elections and have never gotten a single piece of legislation passed. They are a very small fraction of all voters and they refuse to work with other ideologies. This guarantees they will continue to lose and never get any legislation passed.
Democrats are better off working with centrists because they actually show up to vote. Unlike leftists who can easily be tricked into not voting in their own best interest by using hot topics like Gaza or whatever the current event is.
The left wasn’t tricked, we’re just sick of being taken for granted and having our concerns blatantly ignored. Your failure to make concessions and compromises with your own base is shooting yourself in the foot.
Lol good luck courting conservatives when the Republican party delivers so hard for their base, what the fuck do you have to offer to win them over? Nothing.
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
That’s not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question “how will you rebuild the party” is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we’re going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We’re going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They’ll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they’ll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or “the economy” at first, but they’ll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don’t want to take the time to understand
And we’ll just keep hitting it. They say “Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country”. We don’t bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes “is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%”
See, but you’re making it complicated again. You want to stop black rock, but how? If I rent out a couple houses, are you going to come after me? What if this crashes my home prices?
You need to be able to turn around and say “people are homeless. If you have a an empty house, rent it or sell it, otherwise get fucked”
You can’t get into commodificstion of housing or go after investment companies, that muddies the waters. People believe all these myths about how markets work, if you leave an opening they’re going to start getting people worried about themselves losing something, or they’re going to see it as an empty promise
But you keep it simple - empty houses = get fucked
Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
Appealed to more voters than leftist are able muster.
If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.
So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.
But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can’t win without us.
Democrats have been winning without leftists since the 90s. After leftists tanked the 2024 election by not showing up to vote, democrats are better off appealing to centrists like they have every election win since the 90s.
Oh really is that why Obama won? Cause he campaigned on the centrist position of universal healthcare?
Or maybe that’s why Hilary won?
Or maybe that’s why Kamala won?
Democrats failed to even have a conversation about gaza because their thought they could win on centrism, and guess what they fucking lost hard with their prosecutor president.
Damn you’re right that’s must be why Harris won so hard by campaigning with liz cheney 🤮.
Keep losing, nobody wants what you’re selling.
Move left or be left behind.
Trump lost by more than Harris in 2020 then came back and won. If he followed your advice he wouldn’t have won in 2024.
Leave it to leftists (a group that never wins elections) to quit too soon.
I voted Democrat in every single election since I turned 18, im 34 now, the democrats are not going to get us where we need to go.
Democrats don’t fight hard enough, and they reach across the aisle to pivot right at every opportunity.
They would rather court never trumpers like liz cheney 🤮 than make concessions to their own base
Democrats don’t want to win, they want to capture progressive momentum and suffocate it.
Your party is not entitled to our votes when you fail to deliver.
Merrick Garland ass motherfuckers telling me the left cant win.
Leftists consistently lose elections and have never gotten a single piece of legislation passed. They are a very small fraction of all voters and they refuse to work with other ideologies. This guarantees they will continue to lose and never get any legislation passed.
Democrats are better off working with centrists because they actually show up to vote. Unlike leftists who can easily be tricked into not voting in their own best interest by using hot topics like Gaza or whatever the current event is.
Damn apartheid is so hot right now
The left wasn’t tricked, we’re just sick of being taken for granted and having our concerns blatantly ignored. Your failure to make concessions and compromises with your own base is shooting yourself in the foot.
Lol good luck courting conservatives when the Republican party delivers so hard for their base, what the fuck do you have to offer to win them over? Nothing.
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It’s handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
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Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
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Yes let me just write an entire election manifesto whilst I’m taking my morning dump.
These are just examples of policies that actually do something for the majority of Americans, and that seem to be popular across the board.
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question: will you write me a thesis on how to solve all of societies problems?
(gives a good response in parts of how to do that)
WHY DIDNT YOU WRITE ME A THEIS???
That’s not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question “how will you rebuild the party” is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
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You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we’re going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We’re going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They’ll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they’ll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or “the economy” at first, but they’ll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don’t want to take the time to understand
And we’ll just keep hitting it. They say “Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country”. We don’t bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes “is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%”
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See, but you’re making it complicated again. You want to stop black rock, but how? If I rent out a couple houses, are you going to come after me? What if this crashes my home prices?
You need to be able to turn around and say “people are homeless. If you have a an empty house, rent it or sell it, otherwise get fucked”
You can’t get into commodificstion of housing or go after investment companies, that muddies the waters. People believe all these myths about how markets work, if you leave an opening they’re going to start getting people worried about themselves losing something, or they’re going to see it as an empty promise
But you keep it simple - empty houses = get fucked
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