So… Harris lost by some 2.3 million votes. Collectively, third party spoilers netted over 3 million votes.
Now, we add in the just under 90 million people that chose not to vote at all- and assume that at least several million of those people folded their arms and pouted because something they don’t understand is going on in a place they didn’t know existed a bit over year ago because of reasons that even though has been explained to them ad-nauseam, they still refuse to acknowledge because if flies in the face of their edgy manufactured outrage…
… it’s safe to assume protest votes and non-voting was a tremendous lift in helping trump win the White House.
we do have a popular vote in this country, the popular vote just doesn’t determine the presidency, it’s the electoral vote that does. Which is an even better argument for why you should go out and vote, because it fucking matters. A lot.
It’s irrelevant when you factor in the 90 million people that didn’t vote. Had a decent amount of them voted instead of pouting at home, they could have made a HUGE difference in the battleground states.
If only these people weren’t so lazy and entitled that they otherwise would. Because maybe that would have motivated them to at least put some thought into the idea that other people live here too.
Naaah… they knew.
And the reason I know they knew is because I was here when we all tried to warn them. When we all TOLD them what would happen if trump won.
But they think they’re owed perfection. Well, they’re not. And now, a LOT of people are going to suffer greatly-
Do you seriously think that I believe protest voting/non-voting is a brand-new phenomenon and relegated to lemmy only? That it doesn’t happen every single election? That people don’t try and reason with them every single election? And then when they inevitably never listen- that people don’t try and warn them what will happen to those with brightly glowing bullseyes painted on them should they decide to pout and stay home?
Seriously? This your first time?
Because I’ve been here before. And a long time ago, I was on the other side of this. Luckily, I grew up when I saw the consequences of my entitlement. Thankfully for me, it was during a time when I was afforded the luxury of things not being like they are today. So the consequences of my stupidity weren’t as severe and I didn’t have to live with the idea that I hurt anyone with my selfishness.
Now… people are going to die because somehow, these idiots got it in their head that perfect is the opposite of “but I don’t like it!”
Lastly… I hope they’re proud of themselves, because what is happening now? Yeah… he isn’t even in the warm-up phase of what he’s about to do to us. So maybe go on and tell them they should take their bow now while there’s still people remaining that are ignorant enough to think that somehow- they’ve managed to do something by doing nothing.
I think we can agree to disagree and end this here as I don’t see any ground being moved from this.
You’re free to blame individual voters, but like you said they’ll always be with us in every election. Continuing to blame them will not change a damn thing.
I’d rather blame the political consultants who were paid a billion dollars and didn’t move the damn needle. If there’s always going to be protest voters, maybe the people whose job is to get people to vote should be blamed for the loss instead.
Civics education is terrible in this country, but the people who have advanced political science degrees should be able to win elections, right?
The Dems had 11million votes less than what they got in 2020, the Republicans had 5mil less
We know Democrats don’t change to Republicans, and Republicans very rarely change to Democrats.
(Maybe) the 1mil came from democrat protesters, more likely they came from Republicans who don’t want to vote Democrat.
So either way the protest votes were still a drop in the bucket compared to the other 10million white men/women and hispanic men we can see from the shifts in voter demographics.
Im sorry you don’t like the data I’m observing but we live in a deeply bigoted country and it’s better to try to engage with that and fix it instead of feeling attacked.
Poor people? See, you’re creating the straw man here, as you brought that up. Not me. This has nothing to do with poor people aside from your attempt to set up your little gotcha moment.
It’s not working.
And the goalposts were never there to begin with because this isn’t a fucking game.
So… Harris lost by some 2.3 million votes. Collectively, third party spoilers netted over 3 million votes.
Now, we add in the just under 90 million people that chose not to vote at all- and assume that at least several million of those people folded their arms and pouted because something they don’t understand is going on in a place they didn’t know existed a bit over year ago because of reasons that even though has been explained to them ad-nauseam, they still refuse to acknowledge because if flies in the face of their edgy manufactured outrage…
… it’s safe to assume protest votes and non-voting was a tremendous lift in helping trump win the White House.
We do not have a popular vote in this country.
we do have a popular vote in this country, the popular vote just doesn’t determine the presidency, it’s the electoral vote that does. Which is an even better argument for why you should go out and vote, because it fucking matters. A lot.
It’s irrelevant when you factor in the 90 million people that didn’t vote. Had a decent amount of them voted instead of pouting at home, they could have made a HUGE difference in the battleground states.
Man if only there was some organization who was given a billion dollars to convince these people to get off their asses
If only these people weren’t so lazy and entitled that they otherwise would. Because maybe that would have motivated them to at least put some thought into the idea that other people live here too.
Naaah… they knew.
And the reason I know they knew is because I was here when we all tried to warn them. When we all TOLD them what would happen if trump won.
But they think they’re owed perfection. Well, they’re not. And now, a LOT of people are going to suffer greatly-
Some already are.
Because of people like them…
Ah, yes, the fediverse, where most people are and they all saw your warning and ignored it.
You have a far higher opinion of the average Americans’s political knowledge than I do.
Do you seriously think that I believe protest voting/non-voting is a brand-new phenomenon and relegated to lemmy only? That it doesn’t happen every single election? That people don’t try and reason with them every single election? And then when they inevitably never listen- that people don’t try and warn them what will happen to those with brightly glowing bullseyes painted on them should they decide to pout and stay home?
Seriously? This your first time?
Because I’ve been here before. And a long time ago, I was on the other side of this. Luckily, I grew up when I saw the consequences of my entitlement. Thankfully for me, it was during a time when I was afforded the luxury of things not being like they are today. So the consequences of my stupidity weren’t as severe and I didn’t have to live with the idea that I hurt anyone with my selfishness.
Now… people are going to die because somehow, these idiots got it in their head that perfect is the opposite of “but I don’t like it!”
Lastly… I hope they’re proud of themselves, because what is happening now? Yeah… he isn’t even in the warm-up phase of what he’s about to do to us. So maybe go on and tell them they should take their bow now while there’s still people remaining that are ignorant enough to think that somehow- they’ve managed to do something by doing nothing.
I think we can agree to disagree and end this here as I don’t see any ground being moved from this.
You’re free to blame individual voters, but like you said they’ll always be with us in every election. Continuing to blame them will not change a damn thing.
I’d rather blame the political consultants who were paid a billion dollars and didn’t move the damn needle. If there’s always going to be protest voters, maybe the people whose job is to get people to vote should be blamed for the loss instead.
Civics education is terrible in this country, but the people who have advanced political science degrees should be able to win elections, right?
In 2020 there were just under 2mil independent voters
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_and_independent_candidates_for_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election
So 1mil were added
The Dems had 11million votes less than what they got in 2020, the Republicans had 5mil less
We know Democrats don’t change to Republicans, and Republicans very rarely change to Democrats.
(Maybe) the 1mil came from democrat protesters, more likely they came from Republicans who don’t want to vote Democrat.
So either way the protest votes were still a drop in the bucket compared to the other 10million white men/women and hispanic men we can see from the shifts in voter demographics.
Im sorry you don’t like the data I’m observing but we live in a deeply bigoted country and it’s better to try to engage with that and fix it instead of feeling attacked.
Again… 90 million people didn’t vote at all. It’s safe to assume a large portion of them are a result of single issue non-voting protests.
It’s rare for more than half the country to vote.
They aren’t protesting, they’re apathetic
And they’re at fault.
Ok but you understand how you just moved the goalposts like 4 times right?
You can delusionally hate poor people because of a strawman you hallucinated, it’s a free country for now.
Poor people? See, you’re creating the straw man here, as you brought that up. Not me. This has nothing to do with poor people aside from your attempt to set up your little gotcha moment.
It’s not working.
And the goalposts were never there to begin with because this isn’t a fucking game.
Stay on topic or walk away.