I don’t know, I don’t care. No gods, no heroes, no idols.

i think you might have some decent thoughts surrounding what happened with ellen, OP, but good lord did you pick a terrible short to present them

cause hey, yeah. it turns out that you should be nice to people. EVEN IF YOU’RE A GAY ICON. i don’t think that’s an incorrect thing to worry about, and portraying people who do as “babies” reeks of what’s possibly the same insensitivity that got ellen here in the first place

i also don’t see why you think this is smart or funny, you’re going to bat for a tremendously powerful person on the basis of… comedians shouldn’t have to be nice? that doing one good thing for the world means you shouldn’t be subject to scrutiny about your actions going forward? he honestly makes terrible points and his humor is painting moral standards as immaturity, like, idk what you see in him

anyways, there are a lot of intelligent, interesting discussions we could have about ellen. we could talk about how maybe she was subject to higher standards or increased scrutiny because she’s a woman / gay / a gay woman. there’s a lot to look at with regard to the allegations surrounding her show. it speaks highly of her that she took responsibility for those things when they happened, and that none of them implicated her

but, i mean, she also helped a handful of celebrities clean up their image when maybe she shouldn’t have. there were a handful of things that showed, not that she’s necessarily a bad person, but she’s a rich person. hiring a non union crew for her show, getting buddy buddy with bush… like, i don’t want to go to bat for her. you can be kind to people without being friendly, and the company you keep says a lot about you

and again, she’s ungodly wealthy, and that has some known effects on the psyche. from someone who didn’t really have a horse in this race, that’s what it kind of seems like to me. she’s not really a bad person, but needs to be liked really desperately. maybe that came about after the money, not before, idk. but at the end of the day, idk if i can say you can be rich and be kind. even if you give a lot to charity. at some point, it just becomes unethical to have more than a certain amount of money

but no, we can’t have those discussions bc your “comedian” here made it all about how people criticizing ellen are babies for being concerned for being nice 🙄

sourcing mostly https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/ellen-degeneres-show-ending-allegations-b1846389.html, this seemed like a reasonably fair take on the situation

I mean, is she nice to fans? Probably.

Is she nice to employees? …well…there is evidence not so much, which is where my personal concerns come in, but that’s me.

Is she nice if you know her personally? None of your business unless she chooses to let you know her personally.

I dunno, never met her

I don’t know if she’s nice, but I do know she’s rich.