Sometimes if someone is being kind of a Nazi we call them a Nazi. In reality National Socialism is really this huge body of dogmas and views. But if one of their views intersect we’ll say it.

Well Israel doesn’t just intersect with nazism on one issue, but several, and along the more critical areas. Some areas are more critical than others. Like you wouldn’t call someone Hitler for being a vegan. When we say that someone is Nazi we are highlighting a few key factors. You can’t just line up on things that don’t matter. It’s the things that matter.

Ethnically cleansing the area around you to create more living space for a country whose sole-purpose is to host exclusively the interests of a particular ethnic group. Pretty nazi.

Claiming that a group of people are less human to you and have access to fewer corporate rights than you, in this case because you disacknowledge the existence of their history. Pretty nazi. In this case corporate rights refers to the idea that groups of people can have rights and not just individuals. The concept that genocide is particularly wrong depends on that concept. I hope that’s a concept we accept. Because corporate rights are an element of human rights it is necessary that everyone has equal access if we are to treat everyone as equally human. But Israel claims they have more corporate rights than others and argues it from an ethnic position. Pretty nazi.

Now none of this is anti-semitic or more accurately anti-jewish. It was possible to be anti-nazi in the US during the 1940s and not hate German Americans. But if someone supported Nazi Germany in the 1940s they would pretty accurately be called a Nazi if they were German American or not.

I’m just saying if someone says “I think white people are pretty great and maybe better than others.” You might say that’s pretty nazi. My point is Israel and support for Israel is easily more nazi than that is because being pro-white is only one element of alignment, and was not unique to the nazis exclusively (kkk, even Winston Churchill). And importantly that person is not actively genociding people right now!

I’m not saying it’s not nazi. I’m saying it’s comparatively less so than either the state of Israel or support for it. By L’Hopital if it is not ridiculous to call one a nazi it is satisfied that it is not in any way ridiculous to openly call Israel Nazi.

Some will protest. They will say that due to history the comparison is unfair. Well the average American skinhead meth addict has a different history and life experience than a Bavarian who group up in a stable household and attended Hitler Youth camp (scouting). But they ended up at the same point and have common views. History doesn’t matter to the present. If you don’t want to be called a Nazi then don’t behave like a Nazi. A few areas of disalignment in history now past will not save you from that label if you behave and argue like a Nazi now.

So I’m saying it now. It is fair and legitimate to call Israel and its supporters Nazis. Just openly say it. If they complain just explain.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    I live in northern Ontario and I have friends all over the north and many who are much older and have long gone now. I actually know several who were open communists that supported and fought for unions in mining towns, forestry towns here in the north. It was normal in the 40s and 50s for people to say that they were part of the communist party in Canada. In the 50s and 60s Ukrainians, Russians and Slavic people were known for strong communities, building community halls and churches and being major supporters for unions and strike actions and fighting for worker rights everywhere. Then in a short period of time in about the 70s, they stopped, all their halls went out of use and they disappeared or at least their big cultural presence disappeared from the north. They became affluent and their kids went to live in the south in cities. All that were left were the right wing extremists and neo Nazis that fled the war or the children of these extremists. I have a friend in Timmins who often told me about one particular old Ukrainian who was an out and out Nazi-sympathizing war veteran that openly talked about his past. He would often get into conflict with Allied war veterans but the strange part is that this open Nazi was tolerated by everyone. And it was just one example among many. They were tolerated because the biggest common ground they had with modern day conservatives is that they were anti-union and pro-business. They were essentially attack dogs they could rely on to bark at opponents and rally people. All part of a post war movement where it was easy to be a fascist or a Nazi than a socialist or socially minded.