And no one owns a home at all in China, it’s all leased.
Only in the cities, rural land is owned outright, but I think they have to jump through some hoops to be able to sell rural land.
In cities, it’s a 70 year lease, and the owner has first right to renew. If you don’t own the property by that logic, then you don’t own property in any place that has property taxes.
They don’t have eminent domain because their legal system isn’t designed off of common law. They do however have forced evictions and land expropriations, which basically boils down to the same thing.
It’s just academically dishonest to claim that the Chinese government can’t just take your home, as that is by far the most common reason for organized protest in the country.
1993-2003, Shanghai
From 1993 to 2003, 2.5 million people were evicted in the city of Shanghai.[9]
2008, Beijing Olympics
In preparation for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, many of Beijing’s densely populated neighborhoods were torn down in order to make way for new developments and infrastructure projects. The Center on Housing Rights and Evictions estimated that 1.5 million people in and around Beijing were forced from their homes, often with inadequate compensation. Chinese authorities maintained only 6,000 families were relocated, and that all received proper compensation.[10]
1995-2005, Chongqing Three Gorges Dam
From 1995 to 2005, an average of 86,754 people were evicted annually in connection to the Three Gorges Dam,[9] totaling an estimated 1.4 million people.[11] Recalcitrant residents in the city of Chongqing had their water and electricity turned off in order to force them to move; the residents said they had not yet left because proper resettlement hadn’t been arranged.[12]
2013-present, Beijing “Limited Property Right” houses
From 2013 to present, 108 communities that are listed as “limited property right” houses, with over ten thousands households are forced evicted. At the same time, thousands of households with “limited property right” due to historical reason, which are not included in the 108 communities list are also being evicted illegally, such as XiangTang village and JiuhuaYuan community eviction. During the winter of 2020, the city of Beijing and government of Xiaotangshan township cut off water and electricity of the residents, and send unpermitted security guards to the community, in order to force the residents to leave. The security guards and excavators go to residents’ house when they go out for food and water, and demolish their home without any negotiation or arranging settlement.
Every government that has transitioned to an industrialized economy has some sort of way of land procurement for public works. One of China’s main economic advantages compared to the west is this procurement can be done at scale via a centralized apparatus of the government.
To say there is no way for the government to procure “private property” is either very ignorant or very dishonest. Especially considering that the procurement and sales of rural property is a large part of how local governments create funding in China.
I personally see nothing wrong with governments procuring private property for public works, it’s just part of securing economic growth for the nation. However, claiming that it doesn’t happen at all is just inaccurate.
Saying healthcare in China is cheaper than in the US is the understatement of the century. Wait till you find out about eminent domain or what happens when you stop paying property tax. Such obvious trolling indeed. 🤡
Remember that you don’t really pay $0. That money comes from taxes, which generally you’re paying. However, those taxes are vastly cheaper than how much healthcare costs in the states.
Depends are they using private insurance? That’s pretty popular in China these days but it will jack the price up even more. But all insurance there will cover 79%, so it’ll cost whatever the 30% remaining is.
There’s a whole host of factors as you can tell, safe to say it’s above $0.
HMU when you want to learn more about the Chinese paid healthcare model instead of trolling.
Cost of treatment is effectively free in China even without insurance, but do go on there champ. If you spent the time to learn about Chinese healthcare then you wouldn’t be making a clown of yourself here.
It is and they have a lot of progress to make. Nobody thinks any socialist project is a utopia.
In any case, you don’t understand how the idea of paying less than a thousand dollars for a month long hospital stay is mindboggling to Americans. Like that’s “You’re declaring bankruptcy” expensive here.
Healthcare costs in China (albeit cheaper than the US, but more than $0 other countries pay).
And no one owns a home at all in China, it’s all leased.
But hah such obvious propaganda indeed. ML is the Lemmy joke instance once again.
Only in the cities, rural land is owned outright, but I think they have to jump through some hoops to be able to sell rural land.
In cities, it’s a 70 year lease, and the owner has first right to renew. If you don’t own the property by that logic, then you don’t own property in any place that has property taxes.
Also as Yogthos alluded to, China doesn’t have eminent domain, they can’t just take your house like in America. This has lead to people who refuse to sell having highways diverted around their house, parking lots, and in 1 case, a shopping center surrounding the house.
They don’t have eminent domain because their legal system isn’t designed off of common law. They do however have forced evictions and land expropriations, which basically boils down to the same thing.
It’s just academically dishonest to claim that the Chinese government can’t just take your home, as that is by far the most common reason for organized protest in the country.
2008, Beijing Olympics In preparation for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, many of Beijing’s densely populated neighborhoods were torn down in order to make way for new developments and infrastructure projects. The Center on Housing Rights and Evictions estimated that 1.5 million people in and around Beijing were forced from their homes, often with inadequate compensation. Chinese authorities maintained only 6,000 families were relocated, and that all received proper compensation.[10]
1995-2005, Chongqing Three Gorges Dam From 1995 to 2005, an average of 86,754 people were evicted annually in connection to the Three Gorges Dam,[9] totaling an estimated 1.4 million people.[11] Recalcitrant residents in the city of Chongqing had their water and electricity turned off in order to force them to move; the residents said they had not yet left because proper resettlement hadn’t been arranged.[12]
2013-present, Beijing “Limited Property Right” houses From 2013 to present, 108 communities that are listed as “limited property right” houses, with over ten thousands households are forced evicted. At the same time, thousands of households with “limited property right” due to historical reason, which are not included in the 108 communities list are also being evicted illegally, such as XiangTang village and JiuhuaYuan community eviction. During the winter of 2020, the city of Beijing and government of Xiaotangshan township cut off water and electricity of the residents, and send unpermitted security guards to the community, in order to force the residents to leave. The security guards and excavators go to residents’ house when they go out for food and water, and demolish their home without any negotiation or arranging settlement.
Every government that has transitioned to an industrialized economy has some sort of way of land procurement for public works. One of China’s main economic advantages compared to the west is this procurement can be done at scale via a centralized apparatus of the government.
To say there is no way for the government to procure “private property” is either very ignorant or very dishonest. Especially considering that the procurement and sales of rural property is a large part of how local governments create funding in China.
I personally see nothing wrong with governments procuring private property for public works, it’s just part of securing economic growth for the nation. However, claiming that it doesn’t happen at all is just inaccurate.
Saying healthcare in China is cheaper than in the US is the understatement of the century. Wait till you find out about eminent domain or what happens when you stop paying property tax. Such obvious trolling indeed. 🤡
Yes you’re right, this is obvious trolling by OP.
I pay $0 to go to the hospital in my country. It’s sad the people in China and America have to pay for healthcare.
Remember that you don’t really pay $0. That money comes from taxes, which generally you’re paying. However, those taxes are vastly cheaper than how much healthcare costs in the states.
Tell us, oh troll, how much do people in China pay for their healthcare.
Depends are they using private insurance? That’s pretty popular in China these days but it will jack the price up even more. But all insurance there will cover 79%, so it’ll cost whatever the 30% remaining is.
There’s a whole host of factors as you can tell, safe to say it’s above $0.
HMU when you want to learn more about the Chinese paid healthcare model instead of trolling.
Cost of treatment is effectively free in China even without insurance, but do go on there champ. If you spent the time to learn about Chinese healthcare then you wouldn’t be making a clown of yourself here.
It is and they have a lot of progress to make. Nobody thinks any socialist project is a utopia.
In any case, you don’t understand how the idea of paying less than a thousand dollars for a month long hospital stay is mindboggling to Americans. Like that’s “You’re declaring bankruptcy” expensive here.