You can’t “debunk” Marxism by skimming the Wikipedia page. You can’t expound on your infantile “critique” from a position of total ignorance.

Every time a liberal “debunks” Marxism it is, without fail, not a single exception, the exact same shit that was discredited 150 years ago. A lot of “Marx didn’t consider”s that he’s written entire essays on. They can’t come up with literally anything new, spewing the same shit over and over again like a broken record.

Are liberals allergic to academic honesty?

And no I am not German I stole the screenshot.

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    The video is just dumb. She mentions Marx, and fails to even understand that the whole academic concept of Capitalism actually derives from his work and instead acts like Capitalism is just a basic term for an economic system that uses an exchange medium.

    She’s good with physics, but holy shit does this make her look bad. She needs to actually read something about this topic before opening her mouth.

    The whole video is just capitalism == money and buying a banana with money is easier than buying it with the products of your labor. Which again just comes off as incredibly uninformed because that whole argument is addressed and picked apart in the first chapter of Capital.

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      Exactly , her physics videos are radical AF , but this was pathetic video , I though the title was a clickbait and she will talk of how bad capitalism is , but ugh she mentions adam smith and and what not !

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      The whole video is just capitalism == money and buying a banana with money is easier than buying it with the products of your labor. Which again just comes off as incredibly uninformed because that whole argument is addressed and picked apart in the first chapter of Capital.

      Also the second chapter is Marx’s comparison of barter (incidental direct exchange of goods) with commodity exchange (generalized exchange mediated by money) and says the distinction between these forms of exchange is intrinsically related to the separation of exchange value and use value. But exchange is either absent or a secondary aspect in societies with ownership in common (e.g. past communal societies but importantly also future communist societies of which this woman has no theoretical knowledge):

      ”Objects in themselves are external to man, and consequently alienable by him. In order that this alienation may be reciprocal, it is only necessary for men, by a tacit understanding, to treat each other as private owners of those alienable objects, and by implication as independent individuals. But such a state of reciprocal independence has no existence in a primitive society based on property in common, whether such a society takes the form of a patriarchal family, an ancient Indian community, or a Peruvian Inca State.”

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        You’re gonna confuse the anti communists with your theory and analysis (they will never read) instead of witty one-liner quips. You have to jangle some keys in front of them to keep their attention.

        Expecting an anticommunist to understand Marxism or even try to understand it is a bit much

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        People who are ever only good at one subject should be legally sanctioned from publicly speaking about other subjects for at least 10 years after they begin to take interest in it

        just don’t post thats how we do it hel yea

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      That happens basically only in the USA. Do you think Finland is capitalist? Or the rest of the EU? Because that’s not a thing there and has nothing to do with capitalism.

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        TIL for-profit healthcare isn’t a product of capitalism

        Yes, there are homeless people in Finland and the public medical systems of capitalist countries are constantly undergoing cuts by capitalist-run insurance companies doing everything they can to fully privatize the healthcare systems of places with Medicare, NHS whatever you want to call it.

        The NHS in the UK is being dismantled as we speak and in my own country, Australia, our once decent Medicare system is a shell of what it once was, with very little being free anymore and more people being forced onto expensive insurance or left to rot if they can’t afford it. These systems will always be under attack by capitalism and are the exception, not the rule.

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        The same Finland that has had multiple complaints from European committee of social rights about too low social security? And another one from the human rights centre for not implementing the decisions of the ECSR and judgements of European court of human rights? The one where the current government is planning to limit the workers right to strike and cut social services even further?

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      Her views in physics are radical tho! That most classical science channels dont offer ugh ! Just her last video do ur own research taught how to do research of our own and she comes up with this shit lmao !

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        I know right, her videos on quantum physics, especially the delayed choice quantum eraser debunked, resolved a lot of confusion for me, since in physics we don’t do a lot of interpretation and in phil of physics, there’s too much waffling and jargon. She’s contrarian on purpose, for sure, but this is just hardcore stemlord game-theory idealist nonsense.

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      if anyone on the left has to root for Marx’s infidelity, do all capitalists have to root for Perdue pharma’s intent to fatally supply Oxy? Or slavery?

      The idea is absurd, and yet…

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    Of course liberals are terrible at understanding and engaging with Marxism. They don’t need to be good at it, because they’re hegemonic and can forcibly suppress it through means ranging from social ostracism all the way to mass murder. The video isn’t a good-faith attempt to analyze and critique economic systems, it’s social signaling: “Hey everyone, I’m on the Good Team!”

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    A Communist should have largeness of mind and he should be staunch and active, looking upon the interests of the revolution as his very life and subordinating his personal interests to those of the revolution; always and everywhere he should adhere to principle and wage a tireless struggle against all incorrect ideas and actions, so as to consolidate the collective life of the Party and strengthen the ties between the Party and the masses; he should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any individual, and more concerned about others than about himself. Only thus can he be considered a Communist.

    been thinkin bout him lately

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    alright, i’m going to make this a proper dunk and try to watch the video. My prediction is “capitalism made the iphone” and “communism killed 1,000,000,0000,00000000” will take center stage, but she is a scientist, so maybe the rationalized mysticism of Friedman and Pinker will pop up.

    • Weird dunk on Greta Thunberg. Okay I guess we’re goin full boomer in this one.

    • Right off the bat we’re explaining money with the barter myth. It’s of course only natural that people, friends even, would require a trade of equal value to give their friend something. If you would simply give your friend a banana without expecting immediate payment, you’re probably not even human. Starting a countdown now to how long before any real historical account of economic activity shows up.

    • “…the US dollar would collapse – so don’t do it” garf-troll

    • “Many economists” have argued that money is the most efficient way to distribute resources, but the only economist she names is Adam Smith, and she doesn’t actually say what his arguments were. There’s no obvious reason why it would be efficient, or what efficiency even means, which is a much harder question than “what is money?” although I suspect that the intended audience here is children.

    • Glances off the problem of overproduction but can’t actually recognize it. So far all our imaginary characters have been capitalists buying and selling commodities which accrue magically. Also running a clock for how long until labor is explicitly mentioned.

    • Puts the beginning of capitalism “with the industrial revolution, 150 years ago.” I know this is the grade school account, but it’s a ridiculous oversimplification that only arises because liberals identify capitalism with technological advancement so strongly.

    • Her big example here is the story of the discovery of penicillin but she doesn’t even really make clear how capitalism enabled it, except to point out that capitalists owned the pill factories? Why exactly does the technology of mass production necessitate that someone profit off of it? The University of Oxford isn’t a capitalist institution! It’s over a thousand years old!

    • Marx was apparently the first critic of capitalism, and there was “an element of truth to his fears… but that’s another story.” If your full-throated defense of capitalism has to simply ignore its most famous detractor, then you’re barely even trying!

    • Woah big Western Lib moment out of nowhere: capitalism is good because of progress. places without capitalism like North Korea, Cuba, and Laos are places “you don’t want to live.” No explanation about why this is or how that happened, but the way it’s said sounds like a threat.

    • Lol I’m jackin myself off with this “invisible hand” fuck you

    • Microeconomics works fine because it’s won nobel prizes. Counting that as an oblique Friedman mention.

    • Global warming is happening because people don’t pay enough attention to (certain) economists. Why do you think that is Sabine? Do you think it’s sometimes not profitable to pay attention to economists?

    • It’s bizarre that the central account of capitalism here is that it works, but only with sufficient regulation, yet she gives zero thought to how capital can purchase political power, that this has happened immediately and overwhelmingly in every new liberal “democracy,” and that attempts to legally restrict capital have been laughably ineffective.

    • Cap and trade. Abloo abloo ablooo bloo. Good fucking luck. This was the real point of the video, the defense of capitalism is really half-assed and the first 10 minutes of the video are just clickbait.

    At least she’s getting torn apart in the comments. Good responses there for once.

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    ‘Hard’ science nerd doesn’t understand classical economics, philosophy and social sciences because they are definitely too easy to actually read the primary documents about, more at eleven.

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        that’s not what socialism is

        there’s a reason why neoliberalism was founded on dismantling the state. The mere possibility for a collective response, such as a state funded enterprise for healthcare (lol Biden’s covid eugenics holocaust) is anathema to their “free association between individuals navigating the free market” utopia.

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            Whether intentional or unintentional, assigning a specific definition to a term that lacks a commonly accepted meaning is a conversational obstructionist strategy, a tactic broadly known as ‘framing’. It is used extensively by politicians to control the narrative around socialism (think red scare, palmer raids, etc). While “social democracy” is a positive framing, it still obstruct the original statement. In this case ending up in a semantics debate or attempting to assign a different emotional message. I’m not ragging on you specifically, I just want to point out that this is a thing people do.