Saw someone with their own instance say on another post (not on their instance) that they could tell that said post had 5 downvotes by users they had tagged.
Not sure that it’s true, but I do find it a bit unnerving. I was on (the now defunct) Kbin and the downvotes were public, which didn’t bother me as much because it was at least transparent/equal (though I also had someone pester me over a few votes spanning weeks on their just-them-posting-a-popular-comic place, said it was an error with their averages and then they still silently banned/blocked me after).
Votes are public, they can be seen across different instances, the only thing that’s unresolved is seeing them using the standard Lemmy software as a non admin user.
This discussion has been had before and people didn’t like the idea of it being public. What I am pointing out was there too: that pseudo-privacy is not great either especially when anybody can be a moderator or host an instance (but not to the point where I will expect others will know my dissenting reply is not the source of the 1 downvote).
It would be more understandable if this were semi-anonymized data that could be cross-referenced, but there’s already other issues (nebulous or subjective hidden thresholds, moderators moderating their own posts). Unless it is incredibly cautious (detecting mainly scripting or obsession-level voting) I expect it’ll be a repeating annoyance especially if the approach is widely used.
I think its a core design issue; if votes are free and unlimited then they will be gamified, one method to provide a feedback mechanism here is to make votes accountable.
There are other moderation styles, like the slashdot random moderation points, which show some promise.
I’ve seen other gamified models where downvotes are scarce, or cost time, or cost money, so they are reserved for bad behavior.
The design of showing votes on posts makes it a signal, and that signal will be gamified. I think for smaller communities having outside third parties chill participation is bad for the overall growth of lemmy. In the long term I imagine a community level system selected by the moderators would fit best.
examples
Only people who have posted or commented can downvote / upvote
Only people who are subscribed can upvote/downvote
only people who have repetitional guarantees can upvote/downvote
posts only visible to subscribers
Just trying to get local representation into communities.
Well the information is out there in the wild for anybody with the know-how to access. Either via running their own instance on the side (doesn’t need any comms on it), or just via Mbin etc.
But you’d assume that the two managed by the official Lemmy developers, including the default one for web included with basically every Lemmy instance, would have the feature.
Not to mention, the dev in that GitHub specifically said:
I just added this to jerboa also.
So in theory it should be there. I just can’t find it. Unless it got pulled out at some point more recently…
it sounds like on a post/comment, you tap three-dots > Moderation > View votes
Unfortunately not. I havet he “Moderation” sub-menu, but it only contains “Remove Post”, “Lock Post”, or “Feature in Community” on posts, and only “Distinguish Comment” (if it’s my own comment) or “Remove Comment” (otherwise) on comments.
That community is on .world, which on Lemmy v0.19.3. Moderators there cannot yet see who voted.
Saw someone with their own instance say on another post (not on their instance) that they could tell that said post had 5 downvotes by users they had tagged.
Not sure that it’s true, but I do find it a bit unnerving. I was on (the now defunct) Kbin and the downvotes were public, which didn’t bother me as much because it was at least transparent/equal (though I also had someone pester me over a few votes spanning weeks on their just-them-posting-a-popular-comic place, said it was an error with their averages and then they still silently banned/blocked me after).
Votes are public, they can be seen across different instances, the only thing that’s unresolved is seeing them using the standard Lemmy software as a non admin user.
This discussion has been had before and people didn’t like the idea of it being public. What I am pointing out was there too: that pseudo-privacy is not great either especially when anybody can be a moderator or host an instance (but not to the point where I will expect others will know my dissenting reply is not the source of the 1 downvote).
It would be more understandable if this were semi-anonymized data that could be cross-referenced, but there’s already other issues (nebulous or subjective hidden thresholds, moderators moderating their own posts). Unless it is incredibly cautious (detecting mainly scripting or obsession-level voting) I expect it’ll be a repeating annoyance especially if the approach is widely used.
I think its a core design issue; if votes are free and unlimited then they will be gamified, one method to provide a feedback mechanism here is to make votes accountable.
There are other moderation styles, like the slashdot random moderation points, which show some promise.
I’ve seen other gamified models where downvotes are scarce, or cost time, or cost money, so they are reserved for bad behavior.
The design of showing votes on posts makes it a signal, and that signal will be gamified. I think for smaller communities having outside third parties chill participation is bad for the overall growth of lemmy. In the long term I imagine a community level system selected by the moderators would fit best.
examples
Just trying to get local representation into communities.
etc. etc
First point is correct.
Actually, you can still use Mbin today to see upvotes on Lemmy communities
Well the information is out there in the wild for anybody with the know-how to access. Either via running their own instance on the side (doesn’t need any comms on it), or just via Mbin etc.
Moderators can’t on 0.19.8 either
It was added in 0.19.4
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4392
I know, but it still not being on the Lemmy Web UI makes it basically unusable for the vast majority of mods.
And I know about Tesseract, I was the one suggesting the change: https://feddit.org/post/6649095/4045658
How do you actually do that? I had a look in a community I mod, and I couldn’t find any way to actually do it in either Jerboa or lemmy-ui (web).
Not all frontends support it yet. I know Tesseract does.
But you’d assume that the two managed by the official Lemmy developers, including the default one for web included with basically every Lemmy instance, would have the feature.
Not to mention, the dev in that GitHub specifically said:
So in theory it should be there. I just can’t find it. Unless it got pulled out at some point more recently…
And it looks the change was merged into main, so yes, I think it should be supported by the app: https://github.com/LemmyNet/jerboa/pull/1331
I am not a mod, so I can’t check, but it sounds like on a post/comment, you tap three-dots > Moderation > View votes
Unfortunately not. I havet he “Moderation” sub-menu, but it only contains “Remove Post”, “Lock Post”, or “Feature in Community” on posts, and only “Distinguish Comment” (if it’s my own comment) or “Remove Comment” (otherwise) on comments.