There’s no way for teachers to figure out if students are using ChatGPT to cheat, OpenAI says in new back-to-school guide::AI detectors used by educators to detect use of ChatGPT don’t work, says OpenAI.

  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    And what is this suppose to teach the students in a world where you can plug a prompt into a machine and get most of a right answer?

    This leaves the students behind and uncompetetive for a world that is different from the one their teachers grew up in.

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      Zoe Bee did a video essay on how the modern education system (which really isn’t much different from the one we had 100 years ago) is kind of flawed.

      I rather hope that the advent of AI tools will force education to evolve away from the broken systems we have today.

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      I dont mean to be rude or anything but if I understand correctly what youre saying is dont teach them anything but how to input questions into a text field, right? Its the same old statement as “Why learn basic math if calculators exist” do you not see the problem there? Sure you get the answer but you wont understand what any of it means which will hinder the knowlege that humanity gained through the thousands of years they been on this earth. Thats a horrible take and I pray you understand why. I do agree that technology is a great tool and should be taught how to be used in school, it shouldn’t be the only method of getting answers, thats just dumb and hurts everyone in the future.

      Edit: again my opinion agree or diagree

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        “Why learn basic math if calculators exist”

        If you are spending your time writing and solving equations, and many students currently are being ‘taught’ that way, you are being taught math incorrectly. This technology disrupts that same principal on the writing and regurgitation of information side of learning. As an excercise for ChatGPT, I’m going to ask it to outline an essay on the fluid dynamics of low silica vulcansim and see what it comes up with. The exact prompt I’m going to use is. “Hi Chat GPT. I’m begining the process of writing an essay on the flue dynamics of low silica vulcanism. I realize this may require some very domain specific knowledge, so I’ll be providing you with information and asking you to clarify sections later. In this first attempt, I’d like you to cover the issue in the broadest way, but please get highly specific in sections that I should cover. I would like a high amount of detail in this outline. Please also give me key words and phrases to search for for each sub-point of the outline.”

        Here is ChatGPTs response:

        —start—

        Essay Outline on Fluid Dynamics of Low Silica Vulcanism I. Introduction

        Brief background on volcanic activity
        Importance of studying fluid dynamics in volcanism
        The specific focus on low silica vulcanism
        Thesis Statement: Unveiling how the unique fluid dynamics of low-silica magmatic systems influence the characteristics and behavior of corresponding volcanic eruptions.
        

        Keywords for Research: Introduction to volcanism, Importance of fluid dynamics in volcanology, Low silica vs. high silica magma II. Basic Principles of Fluid Dynamics in Geology

        Navier-Stokes Equations
        Reynolds Number
        Non-Newtonian fluids in geology
        Importance in volcanic contexts
        

        Keywords for Research: Navier-Stokes Equations in geology, Reynolds number in magma flow, Non-Newtonian fluids in Earth science, Fluid dynamics in volcanology III. Classification of Magmatic Systems

        High-silica vs. Low-silica magmatic systems
        Composition and its impact on fluid dynamics
        Physical properties: viscosity, temperature, and gas content
        Geological settings prone to low silica vulcanism
        

        Keywords for Research: Magmatic systems, Silica content in magma, Magmatic properties, Geological settings of low silica vulcanism IV. Fluid Dynamics of Low Silica Magma A. Viscosity

        Definition and significance
        Comparison with high-silica systems
        Impact on flow and eruption style
        

        Keywords for Research: Viscosity of low-silica magma, Viscosity comparison in magmatic systems, Influence of viscosity on volcanic eruptions B. Temperature

        Typical temperature ranges
        Influence on fluidity and eruption
        Interplay between temperature and other physical properties
        

        Keywords for Research: Temperature of low-silica magma, Influence of temperature on viscosity and fluidity, Temperature and eruption dynamics C. Gas Content

        Types of gases involved
        Role in explosivity and effusivity
        Effects on magma ascent and fragmentation
        

        Keywords for Research: Gas content in low-silica magma, Role of gases in volcanic eruptions, Gas-driven magma ascent D. Laminar vs. Turbulent Flow

        Conditions leading to each type
        Implications for eruption style and deposits
        

        Keywords for Research: Laminar flow in low-silica magma, Turbulent flow in magma, Flow regimes and eruption style V. Real-world Examples and Case Studies

        Specific volcanoes that have exhibited low silica vulcanism
        Summary of eruptions, flow patterns, and consequences
        Importance of understanding these cases for hazard mitigation
        

        Keywords for Research: Low-silica volcanoes, Case studies of low silica vulcanism, Volcanic hazard mitigation VI. Implications for Planetary Volcanism

        Extrapolating Earth’s models to other celestial bodies
        Examples: Venus, Mars, and Moon
        Utility in astrobiology and planetary science
        

        Keywords for Research: Planetary volcanism, Venus volcanism, Mars volcanism, Extraterrestrial applications of fluid dynamics VII. Conclusion

        Summary of key findings
        Importance of further research in the field
        Broader implications for geology and human society
        

        Keywords for Research: Summary of fluid dynamics in low-silica vulcanism, Future research avenues, Societal importance of understanding volcanic systems VIII. References IX. Appendices

        Tables, charts, and additional data
        

        Feel free to adjust the outline as needed, and don’t hesitate to reach out if you have specific sections you would like me to clarify or expand upon.

        —end—

        I don’t necessarily know what the right answer is, but I know that the wrong answer is to stick our (as a teacher of sorts) collective heads in the sand and pretend that this isn’t a game changing technology for most sectors. I tell my students and mentees to absolute use ChatGPT. That response took ChatGPT about 15 seconds. Its probably more than good enough for me to write a decent essay on.

        If you aren’t using ChatGPT or teaching your students to use this technology, then you are doing them a disservice.

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          Being able to asses if the answer you got from the AI tool is reasonable relies on your ability to understand how to get to that answer.

          And, believe it or not, there will be times when a person might not have access to an AI tool to answer their questions, and they might need to be able to come up with their own answer independently.

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      This is true… we should be teaching them prompt skills and utilising it every day. Then pay wall the fuck out of it on the day of exams…

      Should prepare them nicely 😏

    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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      And what is this suppose to teach the students in a world where you can plug a prompt into a machine and get most of a right answer?

      How to determine when that response is not correct.