people from all corners of twitter
based PMC class solidarity! :epstein:
The noxious class character of these woke twitter socialists is why they got so mad at Shaun, the nicest boy online. Being a sweet and earnest person talking about collective struggle is “idiotic” to these insignificant and low statured creatures. It makes sense that these cannibalistic podcasters are forced to believe that growth is infinite and entropy doesn’t exist. Their entire ideology relies on them justifying imperialism because these whiny bloodless Karens have desires that matter more than their child slaves (“To shift the responsibility of Nestle using slave labor to the consumer is fucking monstrous”…“Jeff Bezos should consume less. no one else” this Breadtuber has the same petit bourgeois consumption based ideology as that Ian MIles Cheong freak)
When your entire existence is predicated on exploitation, you have no other concept of “love and faith in humanity” than being able to continue genocide of indigenous people for your imperialist desires. Will these irrelevant soy podcasters ever get their “faith restored” by working in the fields like their apartheid child slaves? Noooo, that’s Stalinism :amber:
Degrowth is an ideology that requires them to go outside (uh oh, sorry vampires!) and “touch grass” as these domesticated losers claim is so important and meaningful to their lives. But if they are actually forced to do that wendigo meme praxis, that’s apparently “violent authoritarianism”? Ironic
Shaun’s entire point isn’t even that we should accept lower standards, he was just saying we already live with these lower standards and people would be more accepting if it was for a good reason instead of a bad one.
People’s refusal to actually read is what causes this poor discourse.
Why bother reading when you can just get mad at people you invented in your head?
People who choose to ignore the reality of our situation because of their vapid selfishness and greed are dangerous and shouldn’t be considered stable enough to be allowed any sort of power
Degrowth: Bad.
Ruining the only planet we have for 30 extra years of luxury: Good.
I’m a very smart twitter poster. :meow-floppy:
Some of left Twitter is way more concerned with having broadly popular views than with providing a decent life to all people on earth.
What did Shaun say?
Millennials would largely be okay with the standard if living they currently have (ie worse than gen x and boomers at the same age) if they knew the resources they weren’t getting were going to fight climate change instead of to make the bourgeoisie even richer, basically.
Am I wrong to think that’s a pretty accurate and uncontroversial idea?
not at all. twitter just has a tendency to get mad at everything shaun says
Shauns tweet was true.
Also I felt it was “you aren’t going to have a 4 bedroom house in the burbs with a huge yard and a pool.”
Of course I want MORE but I also accept that at a certain point, my more means less for someone else. It’s also not good long term to grow suburbs forever. I don’t know if degrowth is part of urbanization and trying to live denser, but I like the idea of us going denser, less need for cars, shorter pipes, less roads, less distance.
“you aren’t going to have a 4 bedroom house in the burbs with a huge yard and a pool.”
I agree with you though I made a post months ago here how a bedroom for each person in a family might not practical in the future (and today, parents shouldn’t be shamed for not being able to provide it) and got roasted.
average size of a bedroom is like 70-130 sq ft. lets abolish 1000s of sq ft yards before we come for someone’s sleeping arrangements
I’d rather have a big yard then my own room cause if you have kids, they can play and exercise in the yard, and you can also have lots of guests/BBQs/party’s in the back yard
just a matter of personal preference tho, others may feel different
Why does the yard have to be exclusively your own?
there’s no reason to shame people for not being able to provide things that the government should be providing but people need to have private, lockable spaces. like a room doesn’t need to be a mcmansion style Master Bedroom, but like people need private spaces that they can control access to, especially neurodivergent people (as an autistic person i would have committed parody and satire on myself in minecraft if i had to share a room post puberty, i almost did before puberty even because of my disgustingly unhygienic, constantly nose-picking brother) or people with significant and fundamental disagreements with family members - imagine someone in an abusive home without even the ability to be alone in their room with a locked door. I know people in abusive families and some of the first things their family did to them was take off the locks on their room. it is absolutely an invasion of reasonable privacy. the fact that poorer people can’t provide it always isn’t a knock against them but on society and wealth inequality - i don’t judge poor people for not being able to provide clean water but it is still a vital and necessary resource.
edit: either give people their own rooms or give us enough wilderness to fuck off to when we need to masturbate like in the oh so glorious olden days
I know people in abusive families and some of the first things their family did to them was take off the locks on their room.
Just the locks? Lmao my family took the whole door off. :oh-shit:
I would like to add that less consumption isn’t necessarily a lower standard of living and could be the opposite if people’s basic needs are actually guaranteed and they’re subject to less abusive conditions than under capitalism.
See: Cuba
Absolutely, the way forward won’t be like a “step up” or “step down” it’ll be better in some ways but I think possible “worse” in others depending on your perspective.
What I mean is I imagine there are some small luxuries we will necessarily need to give up. Like getting strawberries year round bc we stop imperializing nations and forcing them to grow them year round for us. And myriad other little thing that will be good for the planet and the exploited but maybe an inconvenience for us in the imperial core.
We probably won’t be traveling for leisure as much, reducing travel planes etc, at least until we get shit under control
But in return we get control of our lives, actual democracy and health care and shit so fuck it. Plus the ppl mostly inconvenienced by this are a drop in the bucket compared to the rest so… who cares what they think lol
As someone who tries to live with minimal consumption and kinda judges people who don’t, I down with this. However I also worry that people just seem to really want their shit, too, so we have to work around that.
When I was in my baby-communist phase. Peter nearly turned me off from socialism by his sheer idiocy.
How so?
do you think these people are aware that the majority of people on the earth’s standards of living are positively destitute compared to their own standards of living?
Gods Peter Coffin sucks, I feel like there was a time I agreed with what they thought but the brainworms have been working overtime to just completely wipe out whatever semblance of respect I had for their opinions.
Speaking of P**er C*ffin, what happened to Ashley?
My rough understanding is she said fuck it to being “public” and is touching grass full time. I hope she does good. I will miss her funny tweets (and the thirst posts).
