Or, you could just have the door handle be the manual override.
It is a laughably easy thing to have the release for the door from the inside be the same kind of mechanical door release we’ve always done, for obvious safety reasons, and then have a little solenoid which can also trigger the release of the mechanical door release if the computer wants it to open.
The only reason to do it otherwise, and then need a separate manual release handle, is if you are okay with people dying in exactly this fashion so that you can make your shiny thing in the exact shiny way you want to make it.
Teslas need to crack the windows before you open the door, that’s why they complicate the door release. If you don’t give the computer a moment to move the window before the door opens you can damage things.
My car has frameless windows. But they don’t need the window to be in any particular place. Literally 100% up or down, and the door works fine. I don’t understand why they designed cars that have this problem.
Thank you for giving the explanation, but I think you’re getting flamed for it because it sounds like you’re saying that decision makes sense.
They introduced the design constraint. They can remove it, or work around it mechanically. They chose not to, and instead made a death-trap on purpose. I’m sure they had their reasons at the time, but they are by definition bad reasons if they led to this outcome.
He’s getting flamed because convertibles have been doing frameless door windows forever with manual overrides. It’s not something super special Tesla has done. Musk just doesn’t want to spend the extra money doing it right.
People are saying “Tesla needs the window to lower before the door opens” as an excuse why they use an electric switch, I’m saying they don’t know shit about cars because that’s been a thing for decades before Tesla was even an idea and these cars used regular door handles.
I’ve seen a lot of cars that rolled down their windows slightly or something as the door opens or whatever.
Meanwhile my family had a '98 Camaro for 20 years with frameless manual windows. 20 years of slamming those doors didn’t hurt the windows a bit. That car is still in service and the door and window trim is fine.
Teslas are pure anal sauce. If Musk hadn’t just been elected grand vizier we might could have gotten them off our roads.
Or, you could just have the door handle be the manual override.
It is a laughably easy thing to have the release for the door from the inside be the same kind of mechanical door release we’ve always done, for obvious safety reasons, and then have a little solenoid which can also trigger the release of the mechanical door release if the computer wants it to open.
The only reason to do it otherwise, and then need a separate manual release handle, is if you are okay with people dying in exactly this fashion so that you can make your shiny thing in the exact shiny way you want to make it.
Teslas need to crack the windows before you open the door, that’s why they complicate the door release. If you don’t give the computer a moment to move the window before the door opens you can damage things.
You keep pointing out the design flaw, but I think we are aware that its a flawed design.
Tesla isn’t the only manufacturer of doors with frameless windows. They are the only ones I know of who have electric-only door latches.
The computer can have the window cracked before the handle is fully pulled. And if it fails to do so, the door opens anyway.
A better solution is a fucking window frame.
My car has frameless windows. But they don’t need the window to be in any particular place. Literally 100% up or down, and the door works fine. I don’t understand why they designed cars that have this problem.
But yeah, framed windows work great too.
Thank you for giving the explanation, but I think you’re getting flamed for it because it sounds like you’re saying that decision makes sense.
They introduced the design constraint. They can remove it, or work around it mechanically. They chose not to, and instead made a death-trap on purpose. I’m sure they had their reasons at the time, but they are by definition bad reasons if they led to this outcome.
He’s getting flamed because convertibles have been doing frameless door windows forever with manual overrides. It’s not something super special Tesla has done. Musk just doesn’t want to spend the extra money doing it right.
I don’t think it’s a death-trap “on purpose,” but it’s def a death-trap by negligence. Which is still bad. Very very bad.
“They had to work around a shitty design flaw with another flaw.”
Didn’t bmw have this in the 90s…?
Yep, people who don’t know cars arguing about car stuff, I hate it.
Those cars still had door handles.
People are saying “Tesla needs the window to lower before the door opens” as an excuse why they use an electric switch, I’m saying they don’t know shit about cars because that’s been a thing for decades before Tesla was even an idea and these cars used regular door handles.
Why is that obvious design flaw relevant?
So just like any convertible?
I’ve seen a lot of cars that rolled down their windows slightly or something as the door opens or whatever.
Meanwhile my family had a '98 Camaro for 20 years with frameless manual windows. 20 years of slamming those doors didn’t hurt the windows a bit. That car is still in service and the door and window trim is fine.
Teslas are pure anal sauce. If Musk hadn’t just been elected grand vizier we might could have gotten them off our roads.