Interesting.
When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it’s called a “legal loophole”.
My first thought was “So we call ‘following the law’ a loophole now?”
If the law meant a fucking thing, he would have been in prison decades ago.
WHY did it take this long to get around to it? So bizarre.
In a word: Garland.
In two words: Merrick Garland
In three words: fucking Merrick Garland
In four words: fucking Merrick “Slowclown” Garland
In five words: establishment hack as attorney general.
'The voters are going to reject him and then we don’t have to go through all this messy business if prosecution."
It’s the moral elevation of inaction for its own sake above action for any reason.
Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.
He’ll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
A great Russian Mafia knows the judge’s and prosecutor’s kids 🔪
And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea
Yeah, he’ll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
Every time there’s talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
Cheat codes
He’ll just stay out of New York until his coronation
Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it’s over. He’s never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out…
Realistically probably not. However it’s best to not give up hope and call out those who aren’t enforcing the law.
If there’s enough fuss it’ll go down in history as straight up corruption instead of some squabble of technicalities.This is what the law is. It’s never applied to rich pale bros.
What about orange pieces of shit?
Survey says no
not with that attitude, get out on the streets already
But (as a European) it would be funny tho
Yea when hes dead, Redditors will go “We should resurrect trump to torture him”. 🤣
For the shit he’s done, they wouldn’t be wrong.
So you’d resurrect hitler and risk him escaping taking control of the world again just for the chance of satisfying your urges to inflict harm? Hell nah, let dead pieces of shit stay dead.
Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.
This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain’t happening. We’ve all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.
Except he’s already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.
He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.
It’s gonna be interesting because we are clearly at a level of manipulation where the sheer act of being held accountable will 100% be called persecution. From here on out any attempt to hold a politician accountable will be met with resistance and end up being theatre.
As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there’s really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn’t.
Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us
The “somehow” isn’t a big leap… The people who would have to outlaw it are the exact ones benefitting from the broken status quo, same as it ever was.
Insider trading is actually legal for congress though. You’re point is valid for systemic issues but this specific one boils down to the individuals involved. There is no precedent for this, no one can really say the judge did anything improper. It would likely be a boon for the governor in a blue state and who knows the DA ambitions.
I’m mostly making counterpoints than a prediction though. I still don’t think anything major will happen.
Yes, the second most pressing concern in everyone’s lives after a second Trump term—Nancy Pelosi’s husband
No one is saying that. It’s just blatant corruption in front of the entire country for everyone to see.
Hey, you drew the comparison. The whole world of corrupt US politicians to choose from. Don’t like the conclusion people draw when they read exactly what you’ve written? Just write something else lol
I’m concerned about Pelosi’s husband! Didn’t he get attacked by a dude with a hammer? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
Faaallllseee equivalennnnnceeee
The cope is strong here.
Its stronger on reddit. Front page is filled with “Biden should resign and make Kamala the first woman president to ‘break the glass barrier’” and “Biden should appoint Kamala Harris to the supreme court” and “Biden shoud make an official act to do X”.
I mean. Rationally speaking, shouldn’t Biden do something extreme at this moment?
This is one core problem Kamala had. Her message was “Donald Trump is a Nazi,” yet the entire Biden administration never treated him like some existential threat to Democracy.
You know all those hypotheticals about killing Adolf Hitler? Notice how no one ever discusses the legality of killing Hitler? It’s all discussions of temporal mechanics or the ethics of punishing someone for a crime before they commit it. No one ever says, “no, you obviously shouldn’t kill Hitler before he comes to power, as that would have been against German law.”
Realistically, if Kamala’s rhetoric is factual, Biden should have had Trump arrested on day one of his term, charged in a military tribunal for treason, and convicted and sentenced before the first 100 days were complete. The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty, not whether he had presidential immunity. And what about the Supreme Court? What ABOUT the Supreme Court? Did the Allies give much credence to whatever bullshit rulings the Nazi courts issued? Trump should have been pounded into the dirt, and any SCOTUS justices who dared to intervene should have been charged as accomplices. And anyone remotely involved in the plot should have been similarly purged from civil society. We should have seen hundreds, maybe even thousands, of life sentences.
THAT is how you respond to a threat to democracy. You find absolutely everyone involved and throw the book at them. You move quickly and run roughshod over normal judicial procedure. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and imprisoned people for running pro-Confederate newspapers. That is what you have to do in times where democracy is truly threatened.
Does Biden actually believe Trump is literally another Adolf Hitler? Then logically, if that is literally true, then Biden should order the military to take him out. Hell, he should do whatever is necessary, upend the entirety of American democracy, become a full dictator if need be. Better a centrist dictator than a Fascist one. In other words, if Trump is literally Hitler, than Biden should be acting right now like our hypothetical time traveler.
The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty,
Bingo.
Unfortunately Biden is a huge fucking pussy who brags about have cookouts with Nazi simps
In response to a post highlighting examples of pointless, hyperbolic copium, this guy walks in and says, “hold my beer” and then advocates for Biden to (“logically”) launch a cruise missile at Mar-a-Lago. OMG I’m dying 🤣
“Logically” in the sense that this is the actual logical response, if you take the Biden/Harris rhetoric at face value.
I mean, maybe if you yourself are a Nazi, then you see nothing wrong with letting Nazis in power. But for sane people, if you actually believe someone to be Hitler, then you should do whatever is necessary, damn the law and Constitution, to keep them out of power.
The point is not that this is objectively what Biden should do now. The point is that it is IF you assume Harris’s rhetoric is correct, then flagrantly violating the Constitution to keep him out of power is something that should be done. However, realistically, Trump is someone more like Orban or Putin. He does seek to degrade democracy, deport a lot of people, and purposefully immiserate targeted minority groups, but he’s not likely to get the Zyklon B off the shelf any time soon. He’s a monster, but realistically probably not quite at the level of someone like Hitler.
And this is the problem Harris had in the campaign. If you run on a campaign of “my opponent is Hitler,” the voters will rightfully ask, “well, why hasn’t your administration already turned him into a fine mist?” You don’t put Hitler on trial. You kill Hitler. Running on “my opponent is Hitler,” when you haven’t treated him like you logically should treat Hitler, shows you really don’t believe your own rhetoric.
You’re doing a bit of a strawman.
“My opponent is a fascist” =/= “My opponent is Hitler”
Did Harris talk about Trump being a literal copy of Hitler who will genocide millions of people in death camps, or did she assert he’s a fascist and a very real threat to democracy?
Because your rhetoric really only works if you know for a fact that Trump is a literal Hitler. We all know him to be a literal autocrat though.
flagrantly violating the Constitution to keep him out of power is something that should be done
So break democracy to save democracy? Ends justify the means? Hindsight is 2020, so if someone tossed you in a timemachine and you found yourself in the 1920’s, you could have the confidence to actually kill Hitler without any qualms, because you’d know what would happen. But no-one has that. We can confidently say Trump is a demented child-rapist who will fuck shit up and make things worse for everyone except his oligarch friends (which very much includes Putin.) We don’t know how bad it’s gonna get, but it’s clearly a downhill the world is facing with a US president like that.
Because your rhetoric really only works if you know for a fact that Trump is a literal Hitler. We all know him to be a literal autocrat though
Lets see here… he’s constantly saying to mass deport all “illegal immigrants” and constantly demonizing them. Made statements about arresting all his poltical opponents, with miltary force if nessecary…
I dont know, i dont think the hitler guy every did any of those things…
Of course he did those things. He also breathed, shat and ate. Is everyone who breathes, shits and eats a Hitler?
I can name dozens of non-Hitlers who’ve done all the things you’ve said.
Did Harris run with “Trump is an actual Hitler” or “Trump is a dangerous fascist”?
Because if it’s the former, then rationally your argument is a strawman and needs to be amended before more rational conversation can take place.
🤣
I mean, the resigning one is way more possible/probable and less disruptive. It’d more be funny than anything, especially if his fans bought lots if “47th” merch, as they’d be supporting Harris
Imagine him resigning the day before Trump is sworn in so they’re totally not ready for it. Just to be extra dickish.
My lizard brain is all for the resigning thing. With the message being something about making a statement in the history books about the decision the public made in 2024. Mostly predicting the inevitable disaster of Trumps second term, just like his first term.
Higher brain thinks that’s just poking a bear though. Ugh. We’re fucked.
You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.
If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump’s legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.
Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.
If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.
so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term
In the extremely unlikely event he was sent to prison for 3 years then Vance would immediately use it as an excuse to invoke the section 4 of the 25th and make himself president.
Then we’d have a reasonably competent person in the white house delivering Project 2025 instead of the incompetent asshole
Trump wouldn’t be delivering p25. He’s always been a puppet.
If he’s not convicted of anything he can’t pardon himself. Is there a statute of limitations on inciting an insurrection, or whatever ge was going to be charged with? Just pick up the case again in Jan 2025.
You can’t really prosecute a dictator for crimes when they control all of the branches of government.
He won’t have to. He’ll just have his own DOJ appointee dismiss the federal cases against him. This will 100% happen on day one of his presidency. I have no doubt in my mind that he already has a person in mind for it and they will be his first appointment after his swearing in.
For the state cases, he doesn’t need to do anything, they won’t result in a sentencing verdict that can’t be appealed before he takes office, and the state courts cannot prosecute a sitting president.
The best case scenario is that the state cases that he can neither dismiss nor pardon himself for will resumed at the end of his term in January 2029. That’s a long fucking time to wait for justice, and even then, we won’t know if he will even serve time for it. The presiding judges could die or retire and sympathetic judges could be appointed in the meantime. The states could flip to be controlled by MAGA AGs and decide to drop the cases even while they are paused.
The likelihood of this guy seeing the inside of a jail cell before he dies is almost 0%.
crimes against the
American peoplepeople of New York.FTFY
Don’t know if you’ve ever been to NY, but they literally hate anyone that isn’t from NY. They used to LOVE Trump and his business practices. Call them shady if you want, but that used to bring in money for NY. Then he started making money in Florida and ran as a Republican. That pissed them off but good!
They aren’t doing this for the American people. They are doing this for themselves.
The hush money payments are not the only things he was being prosecuted for. Jan 6th, the Georgia RICO case, the classified documents case, etc. New York is not the only state that deserves justice.
Trump is and has always been a criminal. New York (my home state) just has the balls to actually bring him to court even if he slimes his way out of any real consequence. And believe it or not we dont hate outsiders. Just shady businessmen and people who dont pay their bills.
JD Vance as president is an even more terrifying thought.
Beware the Monkey Paw
I see Vance as a half smart opportunist, not a full on Fascist.
I could be wrong.
I’m from Germany, so my exposure to US politics is limited (yet still way too much). So, I happened to watch/listen to the new york times podcast interview with vance about 1-2 weeks before the election. Mind you, before that I assumed he was an awkward idiot because all I knew about him was the doughnut thing, laughing at his own joke, and the couch thing. So I basically only tuned in to hear that weird ass man speak for once.
Apart from the shitty interviewer, I was shocked to find that he would charm me every couple of minutes. Saying people change their minds, people make mistakes, explaining where he is coming from, talking about his wife. This was not who I expected. And I had to remind myself a couple of times: this dude is up to no good. Listen to what he is not saying. Don’t get sucked into this madness.
But damn he sounded so normal. So human. (Especially in contrast to the stuff I heard about him before.) And since then, I am honestly worried about this guy. I am definitely on the left spectrum politically speaking, and I still found some stuff relatable just by the way he talked. This scared me so much.
So I agree with you, I think he is an opportunist. And he actually knows what he is doing. I think he knows how to act and speak much better than the left US media tried to portray. They try to ridicule someone who is a very elaborate politician, and this can backfire so much, it’s dangerous. Don’t ridicule the devil in power. I believe if he wanted to, he could wrap a lot of people around his finger.
I agree. He has done a great job managing his career. We’ll see what happens
Peter Thiel has done a great job managing his career.
Younger generally means more hopeful and ambitious, so it really depends how much Peter Thiel has his hooks in him.
Vance at least has a non-white wife and is still on his first marriage so probably less bitter.
As an aside I was looking up everyone involved with founding PayPal. What a collective bunch of shit stains they are.
Seriously if folks knew what would happen with most of em back in the 90s im pretty some of the real old Rednecks wouldve killed em. Im talking the remains of those who fought in the county and union wars BTW.
icymi, JD Vance is a vassal of Peter Thiel.
Could be. otoh, the big chair changes people. Some grow into the job.
Trump isn’t smart either. He’s just a figure head.
At the time Trump built his Tower, Jackie Kennedy was working to preserve Grand Central station in Manhattan. Trump had a golden opportunity to get in good with the most influential taste maker in the country, and blew it because he’s a greedy idiot and a vulgarian.
Vance is a fucking monarchist.
Nah he’s a slightly more knowledgeable clown who is even more eager to do what the money backers want
I don’t know, is there a lot of couch in the white house, must take some time for him to introduce himself to all of them?
Theoretically there’s nothing stopping Trump from being president from prison.
There’s no rule that says a dog can’t play basketball.
guys, this is dumb af. this is america. trump isn’t going to prison.
People who think trump is going to prison now are delusional.
That’s the whole point why they suspended sentencing till elections so to see who wins. He’s not getting sentenced now.
Also then you put JD in charge…
Would he? Honest question I’m not sure how at would work if Trump was imprisoned or died before taking office.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-20/
In Section 3:
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President.
Wouldn’t surprise me if the GOP martyred Trump, honestly. They can’t have him abdicate or remove him and have MAGA support, but if they could find a way to martyr him they would have their messiah and Thiel’s boy in place. The smart play would be to have him serve more than half of his term though, so Vance could have a shot at 10 years in the White House.
Thank you for sou g the leg work.
Judge might sentence him, but ACAB includes DoC, so he’d miraculously escape custody.
Didn’t Napoleon go to prison?
Well NY can certainly sentence him, and he can potentially serve a custodial sentence. But I suspect that even if the judge handed him time in prison it wouldn’t be four years and would almost certainly be appealed or delayed to be mostly irrelevant. But I would dearly, dearly, DEARLY love to see this asshole go to prison and preferably never come out.
Can he pardon himself?
From federal crimes yes.
As I understand it, this is a state case where he can’t. Federal pardon powers extend only to federal cases.
He can for J6 and the documents case. But not for this or the Georgia case.
Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
I’m telling you, the premise of this should be a Michael Schur production.
Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
This would be most hilarious trip of bureaurocracy the world has ever seen.
Yeah a president in prison can just go “As an official act, get me the fuck out of here”.
Or an Air Bud spinoff.
That’s 100% not going to happen. As much as it should.
Step 1, appeal to supreme court. Step 2: go free.
Step 1.5: rot in solitary confinement in the meantime.
It’s not much, but it’s not nothing either.
Step 1.75 Epstein as a verb
Don’t joke about that, you get me excited.
Loophole or not. His AG (likely Cannon) will threaten prison time or charge with treason or insurrection with anyone who attempts to continue any cases against him
Hasn’t he already threatened Letitia James and called her a fat ass?
I remember having dreams. You guys remember those? Fun times.
They would just exercise the 25th amendment and put Vance in the seat. I’m not sure who’s ass is in the chair is the worst-case scenario
I actually think Trump is better than Vance. Somehow.
oui. he can’t help but get in his own way. he’s also endlessly distractable.
It’s not actually Trump that’s the biggest threat, it’s his supporters. And the Republican party that lets him do whatever he wants. That cult-like behavior dies with him (please, tonight on a hamberder). Vance sucks shit, but he in the past has said things against Trump, suggesting he’s just in his camp for the power, money and fame. And sadly, that’s the best case scenario in this failed democracy…
Good news is the Republicans are varying levels of unhinged, so since Trump doesn’t actually care about policy they could become deadlocked again as they infight over how badly to screw up the country, probably with trying to muck up Medicare or the ACA again
You’re assuming they’re still going to be allowed to make decisions.
Everyone is expecting his government to still follow the established rules, but there’s very good reason to think those rules will be thrown out.
The USA is dead.
Everyone is expecting his government to still follow the established rules
Realistically, the government will be forced to continue to follow the established precedent and constitution until the moment its not. When it will go off the rails and what to expect are entirely unknowable, but ultimately every institution relies upon and expects the United States federal government continuing to function and enforce the rule of law.
Most likely, if Trump is successful at becoming a dictator, it won’t be by breaking the rules but simply changing them. Lukashenko of Belarus was elected to their position, then changed the rules to hold onto power. Putin of Russia continues to be elected to his position and changes the rules to hold onto power. Erdoğan of Turkey continues to be elected to his position, and changes the rules to hold onto power. By following the laws and engaging in (heavily manipulated) democratic elections it provides an illusion of legitimacy and stability that doesn’t immediately scare away all business investment and industry, two things that the United States relies heavily upon as a service-based economy. A violent revolution would immediately collapse the economy, eliminating most support for Trump’s cause and radicalizing many against him. A policy-based revolution can occur before most people can even identify that its happening, and by the time its clear what’s happened it will be too late to do anything to stop it.
But a policy-based revolution actually requires the policies to be passed, and in the United States, policies don’t pass without financial support from wealthy businesses and their executives. The Republican party is made up of members who are all varying degrees of unhinged. Many seem to only follow trump because that’s the politically “safe” thing for them to do and will break the moment it appears “safe” to break from him (we saw the first Republicans try to do this in early 2021 following the insurrection on Jan 6th, but Trump was still too powerful so they were primaried and now presumably took jobs with large donors in the private sector). Mike Pence certified the election (a largely symbolic gesture that while legally required to conclude presidential election, there is no precedent nor written law dictating what happens if an election is not certified) against trump’s orders because actually toppling democracy was simply too far for him. Other republican politicians will find their own breaking points where their personal values and morals outweigh their careers and take an action against Trump’s wishes. And the entire opposition now knows without a shadow of a doubt that Trump and his cronies will attempt to keep him in power, so the opposition will do everything it can to stop it. The cards are still in Democracy’s favor, and they’re very much stacked against Trump and likely the Democrats as well (Once Trump passes there’s a good chance the Republican party will collapse and either a new party will grow out of its remains or the Democrats will swing right again collecting the Republican politicians still wishing to continue their careers and a new party will emerge from the Left. Historically, no political party has survived past its dictatorial strongman)
So, in short, yes Trump’s scary, but clearly I have more faith in our political institutions and politicians to shake off this obvious grasp for dictatorial power than you do.
Known evil?
I disagree though.
Incompetent evil is always preferable, and Vance seems to have entire sections of working grey matter
I’ve always seen their endgame as Vance taking over sometime during Trumps term. What I never considered until this moment is that with control of both sides of the Legislature, the GOP would also be able to pick whomever they wanted as a replacement for Vance in the VP spot. Zero primary election vote. Zero general election by the people, just the GOP leadership with a blank check to put whatever monster in the Executive branch without anything stopping them beyond the Constitutional limits that they be American born, be at least 35 years old, and having living in the USA for 14 years or more.
What monster would the GOP pick to be Vance’s VP?
Liz Cheney, as a show of good fa
I’m sorry I couldn’t finish typing that.
Tbh I’m kind of expecting Trump to accidentally fall out of a window sometime around February. Maybe Easter. It’s a very special day for him.
that’s not the point, the point is it would be hilarious
Vance is worse.
