Anecdotally… About 75% of the right that I know/met.

The other 25% is a mix of racism, greed, and conspiracy theory.

uneducatable

How do you expect people to think any differently when there is nobody combatting that narrative at the national level? That is something the Democrats could have been hammering on.

Stupid?

How do you get the Democrats to run somebody like Sanders when they don’t even have a primary? The DNC boned the entire country. Again.

I don’t pretend to know how to accomplish this. I may be completely wrong here, but two things that have to go:

• Religious thought (“faithbrain” or the Peter Pan-esque belief that things are true because you believe they are true, despite a lack of evidentiary or even argumentative support, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)
• Social media bubbles (billionaires controlling the content people see, creating bubbles of “information” that skew the public in their favor)

There’s almost certainly more to do as well, but those things stand out to me. Also, it seems hard to believe that we could make any progress on these fronts given the current situation.

Honestly, I’m going to try and leave.

Yes, but that doesn’t matter to republicans.

Until those morons realize not your keys, not your coins, they deserve to be stolen from.

And bye-bye porn! The PORN!

Which one was that again?

In that two party system?

“Go ahead, throw your vote away!” -Kodos

The Green Party? Yeah, hopefully before we all burn up. Stein still got <5% this time.

yes. the real life zaphoid beebelbrox.

My point exactly. Trump has served his purpose. Now for the new puppet.

Likely fried chicken

If they get the supermajority with the house, it’s game over. They’ll spend the next two years shoring up their power to where they won’t need elections anymore.

Did the couch give consent?

If not…

Yeah I think that’s the core problem - too many Americans have shit for brains. Either they develop a religious faith in a con man or they petulantly cross their arms because nothing on the menu is good enough. Pure stupidity either way.

What’s more concerning is that millions more people saw it and didn’t bother to stop him.

Yeah I know he got help from various billionaires, but Mr. and Mrs. Middle America ignored stuff that goes against their own character. Most people don’t associate with anybody who’s on trial for multiple felonies. They disapprove of guys who cheat on their wives. They would frown on a grown man saying “grab 'em by the pussy.” Trump is not a person decent churchgoing Americans normally idolize - let alone pastors and ministers. He has an uncanny charm with these people, which I chalk up to his con man ability. But even a con man loses his audience when he drops pretense and acts like an asshole. The Orange Sack of Shit seems unnaturally immune to that.

The Supreme Court knows he can’t be elected again and they already have their seats, they don’t owe him anything anymore

He can’t be the anti-christ because his political power lasted longer than 3 and a half years

Putin didn’t GAF about Donald Trump until he became useful enough. By that time the Orange Sack of Shit had already been stiffing creditors and skirting the law for decades, somehow living a life of abject luxury anyway, when if nature had taken its usual course he would have been a bankrupt nobody hustling $10 bar bets.

but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?

Honestly, it feels like the only hope is that things get bad enough for enough Trump supporters (and non-voters) to wake up to reality. And since Vance himself doesn’t seem to have the moron-whisperer charisma that Trump has, they may be more willing to turn on him.

Thiel is Vance’s backer. Vance would be a competent Trump. Much more dangerous.

Vance would just run everything according to Project 2025. I think he’d be like Trump but more competent.

Vance is the Project 2025 guy, not Trump. You don’t want him as president, either.

When you’re 18, you’re more than welcome in the New Mexico/Colorado coalition. New Mexico is more affordable, FYI. Until then, there are good people on Lemmy you can lean on.

I noticed that… Redder than ever as I watched the polls. I guess at least it’ll be under the ocean in a few decades. Amazing how it changed since 2000, though. My PhD is in education policy, and also someone who dated a trans woman, I know exactly how fucked y’all are.

If only California could fix it’s housing issues, we really should be a refuge for cool folk like yourself. People used to flock here, for better or worse.

Oh that part’s easy.

Money.

California has economic power over the rest of the US because of the money that flows through it.

As they said, money, but I’d say there are a few safeguards. On obvious issues like reproductive rights, we can hold out on “states decide” until there’s a federal ban, and even longer with legal challenges. States that rarified it in their construction have a similar setup. We also have organizations in place to help undocumented immigrants so much so that they can get drivers licenses and insurance, etc.

As for things specific to Trump, it’s mostly a matter of having a lot of lawyers ready to challenge things and purposefully not following federal law if needed. 4 years is a remarkably short time to hold out, assuming again they don’t just go full fascist and arrest our governor and state Congress. Technically shouldn’t be possible even with the supreme court but who knows.

Speaking of which, that’s the real problem-- federal appointed judges. So all together we’ll just have to see. States rights is a good thing when you’ve got a good state, though.

Yeah, that’s going to be a world wide problem in any case. California can also keep doing it’s green push too, but just like with countries, it’s a moot point if your neighbor is mucking everything up.

Nah, that’s a trap. At tempting at it is, it’s better for everyone to stay a union even if California has the 5th (or 6th depending on measure) strongest economy in the world. Plus imagine how fucked the other 49 would be!

If I live close to Illinois do you think it’s worth making the move?? Can’t the federal government just do whatever the fuck it wants regardless of state rights

Good luck gentlemen o7

I heard. We weren’t immune to the low turn out, and if anything we had a lot more protest votes since we’re a “safe blue” state. Actually I’m much more concerned about how it impacts some house races. We might be a bit screwed, and lazy Californians might be why.

Exactly. They’re DEALING WITH the far right. They haven’t just handed they keys to the country over.

There’s still a chance for them.

Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right

Yeah. Trudeau’s not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP’s never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren’t too thrilled about how far up Trudeau’s ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).

The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren’t anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they’ve been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O’Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they’d gone batshit insane, so they’re back to doubling down on ol’ Canadian Ben Shapiro now.

My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it’s a 12 hour drive from where we’re at, assuming they don’t lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).

Even that isn’t enough unless you have a lot of money laying around and some kind of support network in whatever country you plan to escape to.

Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.

I’ve looked, it’s also incredibly expensive, outside of many people’s means, mine included

What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.

If they are brown or queer, sure. It’s needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they’re white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?

“I’m here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I’m off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I’ll give some bucks to a random gofundme.”

Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.

I’m thinking South America is the play. The anglosphere is all facing similar problems, the northern hemisphere is starting to really feel climate change, and the food is incredible

They have their own political issues, but they never shook the idea of socialism.

The quality of life is rapidly improving. They have tons of natural resources, great soil, they’ll be less impacted by climate change in the southern hemisphere, and most importantly they have Internet

As for me, I’m doubling down on my Spanish practice

How about illegal immigration :D

we don’t really have any more true democracies

What’s a True Democracy and when did we originally have it?

Is this where we blink past Jim Crow and put blinders on during the Nixon/Reagan years to pretend popular politics was a real thing prior to Clinton?

Or are we going to claim 1976 was the only truly free and fair election in IS history?

I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I’m worried this isn’t a minority of people with loud voices…I think this is America.

I’ve been duped or in denial or something.

It blows my mind you can still love this country after last night. Dude, we just ceded everything to the bigots. They’ve overwhelmingly achieved all their goals.

What if I told you that the bigots made America into the hellscape you have Stockholm syndrome for?

Because the founding fathers certainly didn’t like non-whites. Or even a lot of other white people.

Oh it’s worse, the Immigration system for America is actually easier than Canada or Europe

“If you don’t like America, leave!” Was what Republicans said for decades.

Now we’re expecting the poor and disabled and BIPOC to just do it because Harris failed. Unbelievable.