• jerkface@lemmy.ca
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    11 hours ago

    There’s no such thing as the middle class. You either own means of production, you sell your labour to those who do, or you belong to the criminal class that doesn’t contribute to the growth of capital. The middle class is a fairy tale capitalists tell us to keep us in the labour class instead of the far more sensible criminal class.

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      I always wanted to ask this so might as well now, feel free to answer if you want: what are the means of production? In $cureent_year, that is.

      We are not in 1870 Germany. We don’t all work in huge factories owned by Rockefellers. I work in IT. My means of production is a laptop. I do own a few. I sell my labor to whoever needs IT services. Am I a capitalist or a communist? In the past I work for a big company and used their laptop. Was I being exploited?

      The painter that is coming to fix my walls owns his ladder and spraygun. I assume he bought the paint with his own money. I don’t know about the van, he might own it too. He sells his labor to me, who don’t own anything of his. Is he a capitalist?

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        “what are the means of production?”

        The ways in which you produce goods and services for transactions in a market.

        Using a laptop (/server) to produce IT services is no different to a cobbler using a machine to produce a shoe, or a bard using a lute to produce a song.

        The more you dig into it though, the more hardware and infrastructure you’ll find: router, servers, storage, switches, cables, management systems (both technical and HR). Even if you work alone you still use the internet which is made up of physical computers owned by someone, and telephony infrastructure, and you’ll still use a service to find work, and you’ll still take payments using a bank…

        It’s equally applicable now to an IT worker as it was to a draughtsman at an architect firm in 1840.

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        The company is and always has been the means of production. Shared distribution of the profits of a company, no owner taking it all and distributing wages.

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      11 hours ago

      “There is no middle class only virgin workers and chad lumpen proles” is an incredible bit