• lps@social.trom.tf
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    7 hours ago

    @yogthos For all Germans, if this needs to be said.

    You are not responsible for the sins of your fathers, and you are not required to support Israel out of German guilt for the holocaust.

    It is not anti-Semitic to point out that the STATE of Israel is committing genocide!

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      Germans, the inheritors of the legacy of West Germany, simply merged aspects of Nazism into their liberalism while officially declaring Nazism illegal. Often with literal actual Nazis being given important places in power, especially to continue their Nazi anticommunist work. They did not internalize the actual lesson, obviously. They still support scapegoating and racism and apartheid and genocide, and just like the Nazis, twist it into a self-defense logic of treating the perpetrators as victims and their targets as aggressors.

      Something like 20% (or more?) of those they have censored and thrown the book at for criticizing Israel and having solidarity with Palestine are Jewish. It is not merely a selective understanding that only violence against Jewish people is wrong, as they continue to happily do it. It is a consistent alliance with Imperialist, racist genocide as laundered through the aforementioned narratives.

      We need more countries advocating for including Germany as a party to thus genocide, to both publicly shame them and to materially work against their ability to support it with weapons, money, and diplomatic cover.

      • Zonen-Ranslite@feddit.org
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        8 hours ago

        I am a german, I know what that means, but baerbock isn’t doing a genocide. What annoys me is, oh look, a German says something, he is Hitler. Btw, where are you from?

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          Being German seems to make people less able to see the similarities. Almost as if your public education system has whitewashed the history, material realities, and tenor of Nazis and the Holocaust using the most effective means to do so: by having a strict and thorough public education system that discusses the overall topic to a large degree but leaves out any ability for Germans to recognize current yet rhyming causes, undercurrents, rhetoric and actions of genocidal racial supremacists. Germans can recognize a Swastika and (sometimes) punch someone for waving it around (some others still might salute it) but not the Lebensraum rhetoric from Israel, the ghettoization of Palestine, the genocide of Palestiniand, nor their own country’s role in promoting all of these things for what it is. One thing that should not be hard to recognize is the flipping of aggressor into victim, of attack into a defense. That was Nazi rhetoric 101. Would you have symlathized with the “oppression” of “Aryans” by Jewish people? The “Judeo-Bolsheviks”!? Sounds like the answer could be yes.

          Please do some reflection on what ethnic supremacy, genocide, and settler colonialism are - i.e. very Nazi things - and whether you oppose them.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          8 hours ago

          Yes, she is literally a part of a government that is currently actively involved in a genocide conducted in Gaza. Germans are supplying the weapons used by Israel and Germany is directly complicit. I’m from Canada, and Canada is also complicit. I have no problem criticizing the actions of my government and their fascist policies.