The Moment of Truth
www.theatlantic.com
The reelection of Donald Trump would mark the end of George Washington’s vision for the presidency—and the United States.
  • MyOpinion@lemm.ee
    361·
    2 months ago

    This is the moment we can lose our republic. Nuts that it could be to MAGA morons.

    • basmati@lemmus.orgEnglish
      338·
      2 months ago

      And nothing of value would be lost. In it’s ashes we could get an actual democracy built for the people, by the people.

        • Jeanschyso@lemmy.world
          27·
          2 months ago

          At least you can count on Canada to send help to the more dire areas to stop the worst of the civilian impact. You’re not alone in the world.

          • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
            91·
            2 months ago

            love you, friend… but I am not sure thats gonna hold when we start pointing loose nukes at everyone. the fall will not be easy.

      • mipadaitu@lemmy.worldEnglish
        201·
        2 months ago

        Or something worse. Don’t assume that what you prefer would be built up as a replacement.

        • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
          171·
          2 months ago

          It also completely ignores the millions of people that are going to be victimized, even if we rebuild a perfect society from the ashes (highly unlikely). I will never understand accelerationsts. They completely ignore some of the most basic values that progressives should have.

      • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
        101·
        2 months ago

        If fascists win, what / who do you think those ashes will be made of?

        • basmati@lemmus.orgEnglish
          15·
          2 months ago

          The same thing they were made of last time fascists and those they tried to target before libs finally had enough.

          • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
            31·
            2 months ago

            Buddy…they would be in control of the largest military in human history. The most powerful economy and politically charged nation ever to have existed. All of the world would have to work against us. Including China and Russia.

            If fascism wins, that will be your 1000 years of darkness.

  • psycho_driver@lemmy.world
    28·
    2 months ago

    I’m pretty sure he feared a Tyrant smarter than Trump, but if we fail with Trump as the litmus test . . . well. Better luck next democracy I guess?

  • nednobbins@lemm.ee
    131·
    2 months ago

    That seems unlikely, since the constitution doesn’t really include safeguards against someone like Trump.

    The founding fathers were afraid of a King (at least some of them were). They put all kinds of limits on the power of the executive but they assumed people would follow those rules. They never really considered the possibility of a private citizens gaining so much power that they can ignore government.

    • orbitz@lemmy.ca
      6·
      2 months ago

      Wasn’t the electoral college and impeachment bits supposed to be safeguard from people like Trump? I’m actually curious because I’m not American but so many things I’ve read said those were supposed to help that sort of thing. Not that it’s helped.

      I thought another big thing they didn’t count on was so many members of Congress following that sort person.

      Also yes I agree they didn’t think of the possibility of someone being able to ignore laws because that’d be absurd not to put someone on trial speedily regardless of the position they held.

      • Wogi@lemmy.world
        11·
        2 months ago

        Yes and no

        The system was always supposed to protect those in power from those without. The system is designed so that the masses have extremely limited power to remove people like trump if the people with money want him there.

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 months ago

    For George, the Revolution was a business decision to maximize profits. However, he did sign the US Constitution which is what every American should defend and it is the same document the MAGATs would like to destroy.

  • Asafum@feddit.nl
    614·
    2 months ago

    And our electorate is in part why the electoral college exists and why the founders thought we shouldn’t have a direct vote: we’re too fucking stupid and too easily swayed by a populist. Too bad the actual electors won’t do what they’re allowed to do and not vote for Trump even if the people do.

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
      203·
      2 months ago

      At the time the electoral college was instituted, only white land owning men could vote, the majority of the population was illiterate, and only the very rich could afford to be well-versed in the affairs of state.

      To compare that horse and buggy time with today’s world with near-complete literacy, mass media and widespread internet access is even more moronic than you are pretending that the electorate is.

      The problem isn’t that Americans are significantly dumber than the people of other nations.

      It’s that the US is one of the most propagandized nations in the world due to billionaires, hectomillionaires, their corporations, and their industry associations owning the mainstream media and the vast majority of the politicians as well as the political machines pulling the strings behind the scenes.

      Revered as minor deities as they are, the Founding Fathers couldn’t have predicted the conditions 250 years into the future. Including the fact that the very mechanism they included to make sure that the constitution would be updated to fit the times, the amendment process, would become functionally impossible.

      Tl;Dr: the problem isn’t people being too stupid, the problem is that the will of the people has been overruled by organized corruption and propaganda.

      • qprimed@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        isnt what we are currently experiencing an unhealthy reaction to the that same propagandized society? hard to pump shit into peoples heads for decades and not get some sort of sociopathic, immune-like response. many of our fellow citizens really do want to see it all burn right now. everything has been calcified and these people are lashing out in, what I think is, the worst possible way.

        in many respects the very thinking processes of our society have been perverted in service to the whims of the richest. I consider this a bit of a dumbing down of our civic intelligence, but… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • Asafum@feddit.nl
        21·
        2 months ago

        While I absolutely understand propaganda is the issue (my comment history is chock full of “I fucking hate propagandists”) we’re all subject to the same information that others can’t seem to see through. That someone like MTG can stay in government isn’t completely the fault of propaganda, you have to be stupid enough to not see how absolutely stupid and hateful people like her are and choose to vote for them again and again.

  • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    311·
    2 months ago

    Nobody fears a whiny little bitch like trump, no matter the damage republicans can do with him as their excuse.

    • f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      If Trump wins, he will have finished what he is paid to do; he will step down and hand the presidency to Vance, the wannabe theocrat.

      MAGA is a death cult. Arm yourselves against Trump’s sycophants now.