not everything is related to another conflict in the middle east dude, it wasn’t even mentioned here. lol
also careful. “Zionism’s hold on our government and politicians, per AIPAC.” is the same as alt-rights “Jews control the government” – Not allowed per instance rules
Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
I suppose applying it to the Israeli Settlements would be more apt. I reckon if the settlements were dismantled, then the whole anti-zionist stuff would fall apart.
I’m not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
Except at the same time Nazi Germany was also courting Amin al-Husseini (who was later the leader of Mandatory Palestine) and instructing the arab world to slaughter their Jews.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier; hence why they gathered all the Jews they could find.
Saying that Nazi Germany supported Zionism is a gross misunderstanding of Nazi Germany and Jews in WW2. It makes it sound like Nazi Germany was a-okay with Jews so long as they stuck to their own place, which is blatantly false and highly suspect to even be arguing.
It also explains why caliphates in the Middle East are rife with Nazi German rhetoric and why there are so much Nazi-era books and reading material inside Gaza.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier
Yes, that was my point. It wasn’t that they were ‘a-okay with Jews’, it was that supporting Zionism served their interests in driving Jews out of Europe. Especially now, when Nazi Germany is still very much a part of our generational memory, Nazis lean on those apparent contradictions to deflect negative attention and re-frame their movement for the modern age.
You’ll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it’s for a couple reasons:
vocally supporting Israel serves as evidence that they aren’t anti-semetic (how could they be, they support Israel!)
it provides a convenient rhetorical opportunity to say that Jews should ‘just go be a part of their own country’ and stay out of theirs
It serves as a positive example of building an anti-immigrant national religious ethnostate. The primary goal of Nazis is to expel foreigners and create their own, and being able to point to Israel as a widely-accepted example is compelling (especially to people who think of Nazism and Zionism as mutually exclusive)
American Neo-nazis have a large overlap with American evangelism, who believe that a battle over Israel will precede the end of time and usher in heaven on earth. To an alarming portion of the American right-wing, support for Israel is largely based on this eschatology and they believe they will eventually be destroyed, and the survivors will dispel and convert to Christianity (because their ‘anti-christ’ lead them to slaughter)
That isn’t to say that Zionism is a nazi ideology, just that Zionism just happens to align with their interests at the moment (and in the 1930-40’s). I largely think this misconception of Zionism’s relationship to Nazism stems from a flawed world-view that centers around ideological binaries, instead of a complicated dialectic of various interests. “Something can’t be x, it has qualities of y” is just such a pedantic misdirect it’s hard not to laugh at it.
Do you support a two-state solution? If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are inherently a zionist. If your answer is no, then I hope you’re not advocating for violence, as that is disallowed.
Alright, I’ve warned you twice to stay on topic and not to use alt-right conspiracies, and you’re still ranting about this.
Your propaganda post is also unsourced and comes from an extremist account that engages in doxxing–I mean, what? How do you expect the equivalent of a turning point poster to convince anyone? Too far gone, man.
This is literally all that Jimmy does. Linkerbaan as well. Bitching and arguing with people about the war in Gaza is their entire personality and life. Must be a very miserable life.
not everything is related to another conflict in the middle east dude, it wasn’t even mentioned here. lol
also careful. “Zionism’s hold on our government and politicians, per AIPAC.” is the same as alt-rights “Jews control the government” – Not allowed per instance rules
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They’re not a nazi
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Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
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You could say so, why?
Doesn’t matter, unfortunately.
Per instance rules, no calling people names.
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I mean, I won’t argue on the Israel-destruction thing, but I don’t think being secular makes you a nazi.
I’m anti-Zionist, anti-caliphate, anti-Christendom, you know, secular.
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Those are all good points.
I suppose applying it to the Israeli Settlements would be more apt. I reckon if the settlements were dismantled, then the whole anti-zionist stuff would fall apart.
Lmao, the Nazis themselves were Zionists. They wanted the Jews out of their country and saw zionism as a compelling way to get them out.
I’m not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
Except at the same time Nazi Germany was also courting Amin al-Husseini (who was later the leader of Mandatory Palestine) and instructing the arab world to slaughter their Jews.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier; hence why they gathered all the Jews they could find.
Saying that Nazi Germany supported Zionism is a gross misunderstanding of Nazi Germany and Jews in WW2. It makes it sound like Nazi Germany was a-okay with Jews so long as they stuck to their own place, which is blatantly false and highly suspect to even be arguing.
It also explains why caliphates in the Middle East are rife with Nazi German rhetoric and why there are so much Nazi-era books and reading material inside Gaza.
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Yes, that was my point. It wasn’t that they were ‘a-okay with Jews’, it was that supporting Zionism served their interests in driving Jews out of Europe. Especially now, when Nazi Germany is still very much a part of our generational memory, Nazis lean on those apparent contradictions to deflect negative attention and re-frame their movement for the modern age.
You’ll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it’s for a couple reasons:
That isn’t to say that Zionism is a nazi ideology, just that Zionism just happens to align with their interests at the moment (and in the 1930-40’s). I largely think this misconception of Zionism’s relationship to Nazism stems from a flawed world-view that centers around ideological binaries, instead of a complicated dialectic of various interests. “Something can’t be x, it has qualities of y” is just such a pedantic misdirect it’s hard not to laugh at it.
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Erm,… back at ya?
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Its funny how the self proclaimed communists are far right
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Do you support a two-state solution? If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are inherently a zionist. If your answer is no, then I hope you’re not advocating for violence, as that is disallowed.
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I won’t argue about which side wants what; it’s a pointless discussion that won’t get anywhere.
I can only warn you not to say anything related to alt-right hate speech, such as claiming that Jews control foreign governments. It’s not allowed.
What does AIPAC do?
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Alright, I’ve warned you twice to stay on topic and not to use alt-right conspiracies, and you’re still ranting about this.
Your propaganda post is also unsourced and comes from an extremist account that engages in doxxing–I mean, what? How do you expect the equivalent of a turning point poster to convince anyone? Too far gone, man.
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So you just go around randomly bring this up? It might be better to find a different hobby.
This is literally all that Jimmy does. Linkerbaan as well. Bitching and arguing with people about the war in Gaza is their entire personality and life. Must be a very miserable life.
Yeah. I find most people who are obsessed over the conflict as just bored people
And they develop Lemmy…
Yeah I can’t say they are all that agreeable but I have respect for the development aspect
who are you referring to with this? afaik neither Linkerbaan nor jimmydoreisalefty are involved in development
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