It actually isn’t “everything you need to know”, because this is straight-up misleading. You’ve removed the two candidates to the left of Pence (Christie and Hutchinson) who did not raise their hands when asked if they would support Trump as the nominee.
Christie did raise his hand though. Even if just at the last second, and only half-way
Agreed I would have preferred an uncropped imagine and would have still gotten a message across about US political systems.
You mean the two who won’t get any votes?
Because it’s irrelevant. The point is that 6 candidates raised their hands. Which not only includes those leading in the polls behind Trump but also Mike Pence himself!
What is being comunicated in the image is that every republican nominee says they will support Trump. That is simply a lie; and the image was cropped specifically to make that lie.
The cropping is not accurate to the question asked at the debate, but every candidate there signed a pledge to back whoever wins the GOP primary, and right now that includes Trump as an option.
So for Hutchinson and Christie, the only way this image is not an accurate representation of their stances (if not how they answered the question on stage) is if we assume that they were lying when signing the “loyalty pledge” document that was a requirement for even being on the stage at all.
Christie in particular opposed Trump in the 2016 election…all the way until Trump got the nomination, at which point Christie became an ardent Trump supporter. I think it’s reasonable to assume this is a repeat of that track record on his part.
Christie caught Covid from Trump while helping him prep for a presidential debate against Biden. LOL
You’re making an assumption. I’m the one who made this image and I did not crop it specifically to “make that lie.” I cropped it to show the six people that were holding their hands up.
Thanks for unwittingly continuing the spreading of misinformation on the Internet. It sucks here more because of situations like this.
If someone is coming to a political meme community looking for accurate information, let’s all be good stewards and direct them to actual reputable news sources.
Part of what makes that whole thing weird is that in order to take part in the debate, they had to sign a statement saying that they would support the eventual GOP candidate. That’s why Trump wasn’t allowed to participate: he wants to option to go rogue if he doesn’t get the nomination. Typically, though, I’d expect him to just lie if he wanted to go that route.
For everyone at the debate, though, if they said that they wouldn’t support Trump as the nominee, they would be going against the word of the document they just signed. Definitely a lose-lose situation for them. (Though they are the ones who created the Trump problem in the first place, so it serves them right)
Chris Christie signed the pledge, and stated that he intends to break it if Trump wins. Back in 2016, Trump signed the pledge, then did not raise his hand when the question was asked in a debate.
also i wouldnt blame anyone here who said no i wouldnt support trump, besides the obvious (t)reason, the fucker isnt even following the same rules as they are. hes not there raising his hand in support of the republican party and their choices if they dont involve him. he gets to say i wont show up and do the same but then they have to be like yeah i will support him if for some reason this is all for nothing and everyone is wasting their time right now. fuck that. if he somehow gets the nomination anyway i hope they all enjoy their faces being eaten…
You think Trump didn’t participate because of a pledge?! Lmao, c’mon.
I really think he didn’t participate cause he has nothing to gain from attending them. He is missing out on having his people in the spin room, though
Are there transcripts of these debates available? I don’t want to watch an hour of trash
Yes, here it is:
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGLLLLLL Nazi noises
No full transcripts I was able to find yet (only found 2020 and earlier transcripts online). Did find some summaries and take-aways:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/us/politics/republican-debate-takeaways.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/23/first-republican-debate-highlights-00112617
and
Edit: Regarding the allusions from the meme I the OP:
From the NPR article:
Surprisingly, perhaps, almost all of the candidates stood up for former Vice President Mike Pence and said he did the right thing on Jan. 6 in his ceremonial role in counting and recording the results of the 2020 presidential election.
Pence noted that Trump asked him to reject the votes and “asked me to put him over the Constitution, and I chose the Constitution.”
From the Politico article:
Asked if they would support Trump as the party’s nominee even if he was convicted of a crime, 6 of 8 candidates raised their hands — with varying degrees of enthusiasm — with only Christie and former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson indicating they would not support the former president again.
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/fox-news-republican-presidential-primary-debate-transcript
I missed the first half of the debate last night. The second was so painful to watch because they, of course, were all ignoring rules and talking over each other.
Did this seriously fucking happen?
This picture does cut off the two candidates on the left who didn’t raise their hands, and I’m not 100% Pence raised his hand in supporting Trump but don’t remember. Otherwise more or less accurate.
This picture does cut off the two candidates on the left who didn’t raise their hands, and I’m not 100% Pence raised his hand in supporting Trump but don’t remember. Otherwise more or less accurate.
jfc. 12 solid years of trying to follow this fucking shitshow of a country and I just can’t handle it these days.
I think it’s one of the reasons I’ve been following Ukraine so closely. It’s a sad conflict, but it gives me a sense of hope seeing united people who genuinely give a fuck about their country and what they can achieve.
Interesting…
I think I’m doing the same thing without realizing it until you mentioned it. If that’s the case, it is really fucked up train of thought and speaks volumes about the state of the world right now… .
If we were at war with a foreign country we would unite also. Priorities shift.
Pence had some hesitation, but like the rest, he buckled to the cheers of the crowd and raised his hand.
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No Pence definitely said yes. It was Christie and Hutchinson who said no.
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No but kinda. These questions were never asked. Its paraphrased. I mean these are literally both the exact same photo.
The exact question that was asked is:
“If former President Trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party’s choice?”
They cut out one guy who didn’t raise his hand on the far left and also Chris Christie on the left who half-raised his hand with one finger.
Also no one raised their hands immediately. There was a short pause and then they all went up from right to left. As if they weren’t sure it was safe to say so unless their co-conspiratora did.
So yeah, all of these people said they would support a convicted criminal for President. Including the guy that the criminal nearly had killed.
That’s the part that blows my mind the most. Trump threw Pence to the wolves and continues to do so and he would still support him for President?? Despite saying just the other day that he should never be President again? This guy flip flops like a fish out of water.
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The whole thing is a shit show. Everything about the GOP is. 8 candidates on a stage debating with not a single one of them anywhere near the leading guy who’s turning himself in to jail to post bond today. It’s like a circus full of clowns who aren’t funny at all! I wish I knew what was going to happen over the next year but as recent history has shown us, everything about American politics is completely unpredictable.
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I am a republican and I agree.
That’s illegal!
He’d never win an election. He’s just an unpopular guy.
People said much worse things about Trump
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While man Republicans say they want an abortion ban, the recent voting shows that isn’t true.
What voting is that?
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Fucking traitors.
“Who here is campaigning to be VP?”
Was this a debate or an advertisment for trump?
It boiled down to there being no real policy to improve the country, just rhetoric and culture war bullshit and pandering about God and men in sports.
The two candidates who said out loud that they don’t support Trump, Hutchinson and Christi, got booed by the crowd.
It’s hilarious to me that not supporting Trump will kill a Republican’s campaign, but supporting him means you think he deserves the nomination and so therefore killing your campaign. They created this Trump problem, now they need to eat shit as it destroys them.
It was exclusively aired on Fox News and Fox Business…
Trump accuses Fox of not being supportive of him. For a lot of the far right, Fox is too mainstream.
They also streamed it on their website. Would have been good for it to be on broadcast tv, but the barrier to entry wasn’t that high
- you need to make a better effort at seperating the two pictures, i was not sure where the first ended and the second ended
- otherwise good Meme. like it a lot. upvoted.
The rules don’t matter, power is all they care about. Acting all astonished every time conservatives ignore laws is naive
And more importantly, what’s right also doesn’t matter to them.
I call this out because sometimes rules and laws are immoral and thus it’s sometimes good to ignore those rules. But this isn’t one of those times.
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Thanks! I think most people get that. I was just thinking if memes should come with explanations and disclaimers now days? lol
ITT: People who get their news from memes apparently.
You did nothing wrong. If people want to base their votes on what they see in memes then… Oh wait there’s already a political party for that. They just had a debate the other night.
Traitors, the lot of them.
Five candidates. All fucking pieces of shit.
So even if you jail him or bar him from re-election, Trumps just going to have puppet run for him on the outside?
That’d almost be worse because he won’t be bound to any of the rules of a president, he’d be able to pardon himself by proxy, and not have any accountability for the puppets actions.
Wait, they did a GOP debate without trump? Was he busy or something?
Yeah he’s busy. Busy betraying his country
He announced he won’t take part in the debates
Partly because he didn’t want to take part, but also because he wasn’t allowed to take part. Participation was dependent on signing the RNC oath of fealty
lol as if trump cares even a little bit about any oaths he signs
Thank you for mentioning the RNC oath of fealty, I wasn’t familiar with that so I looked it up and it requires the candidate to back whomever the party’s eventual nominee is (including if it’s Trump). Since he hasn’t agreed to back anyone but himself, it makes sense why he wouldn’t want to sign it.
It also makes sense why each of the candidates in OP’s photo raised their hands in support of Trump if he was the candidate, technically they already pledged the exact same thing.
God it feels good to know that his announcements don’t reach me anymore. I literally don’t know what he’s up to until I incidentally hear in the news that hes being charged with something.
There’s zero benefit to Trump in participating in the debates. He’s way, way out in front of the other Republicans, it could only serve to hurt him. Instead he did a taped Tucker Carlson interview that I think they aired at the same time (I didn’t watch either one).
Is that real? I’m 99.999% sure it is, but I’d like confirmation.
I think a lot of people are taking this very literally and some are claiming I’m misleading people. For context, the top portion of the picture did not happen exactly like that. They each individually said that Pence did the right thing by essentially choosing the constitution and his oath of office over Trumps request that he violate it. There was no hand raising for that question. The second half of the image was when they were asked if they would raise their hands to indicate if they would support Trump if he were the nominee. I cropped out Asa Hutchison and Chris Christie who did not raise their hands. I’m getting some flack for that but whatever… It’s a meme. I’m not a reputable news source or a reporter. I just made this because I thought it was ridiculous.
So its lik 90% true 10% joke all nightmare
Basically. I guess if I ever consider going for a Pulitzer, I’ll make damn sure my memes on Lemmy are 100% accurate. I hope no one on here looks at political cartoons. They’re going to be in a for a real shock when they find out elephants are not actually Republicans.
Thanks.
