What do they think “running the passport number” will do? I’ve seen that in several of these posts. I can’t imagine whoever they got their paper from will have been able to create a number that exists in any system that a cop uses during a traffic stop.
Sovcits think their passport has a built-in sudo password that lets them have access to all amenities while also not being bound to any state restrictions. They base their belief on Article 4 of the Confederate Constitution which reads
Article 4 Confederate Constitution
The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from Justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states; and the people of each state shall have free ingress and regress to and from any other state, and shall enjoy therein all the privileges of trade and commerce, subject to the same duties, impositions and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively, provided that such restrictions shall not extend so far as to prevent the removal of property imported into any state, to any other State of which the Owner is an inhabitant; provided also that no imposition, duties or restriction shall be laid by any state, on the property of the united states, or either of them.
This is where they are getting the idea of “right for travel” and why they are never driving, just “moving their car” and why they don’t recognize being a citizen of any state. Let’s pretend that this article was not abolished with the defeat of the Confederacy and was still in effect. Do you see the glaring issue here? If you said that they wouldn’t be eligible to that right of travel under that article since they are not a citizen of any state and thus it does not apply to them, you would be correct. Back then, they would be considered vagabonds, so they would have been exempt from all the rights granted by that article.
I think what they meant with “run the passport number” is that they anticipated a fine/ticket and wanted to pay that fine. They believe that each citizen gets a million dollars deposited on their person in a bond from the US Treasury. They cannot personally access these funds, but when they have to pay anything for any reason they can just say that they “accept for value” and the Treasury will have to begrudgingly pay the difference out of the sovcit’s personal bond. Let’s play pretend again and accept that this bond exists. Why the Treasury would have a bond for an entity that is NOT a citizen of the United States is beyond me.
Sovcits are just stupid people trying to game the system, but I would like to point ou the Articles of Confederation are not connected to the Confederacy, but are an early set of laws meant to be imposed across the Union until it was repealed and replaced by the Constitution.
But no one is impeding their right to travel freely from state to state - there aren’t border checks at the state borders checking papers. They are freely able to travel. What becomes an issue is when they want to use a car, we’ve developed this thing about needing it to be registered and insured because it is an inherently dangerous activity, and taxed in order to cover the cost of managing this regulation.
This whole sovcit thing is so asinine. It stems from the idea of some people wanting to live “off grid” and outside the rules and regulations of civilization so they set up their own communities - like Sealand or Molossia. They just want a place of land where they can do their own thing, they know they don’t have access to tax payer roads, water, emergency assistance, electric, etc, so they have to set it up themselves, but because they are technically a micronation and can be recognized by other countries as such, they’ll do other things like create passports, currency, royalty, etc. It’s all in good fun. BUT since they know they can’t do everything on their own and they have to work with an actual functioning society to survive, they know they have to follow that country’s rules while there, just like anyone else. (While shopping, working, visiting friends, whatever else)
How that idea of people humorously setting up their own sovereign nations got spun into all this nonsense is unbelievable.
"The better to secure mutual friendship and… intercourse 😉
The right to travel is a real, unenumerated, right of the people that has been recognized in various Supreme Court rulings in accordance with the tenth amendment.
Like all of the rights, it has reasonable limits. You can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater, and you have to pay taxes and put a number plate on your car.
This article 4 of the Confederate constitution is basically just putting this down in writing, with a bunch of racist slaver BS added.
Also, non-citizen national passports do exist for “United States Nationals”, who are nationals but not citizens. This population currently includes some American Samoans and Northern Mariana Islanders.
I believe THIS card will set everything straight.
“You have won a beauty contest. Collect $20?”
Whoops! Wrong card!
EDIT: Meant to post top level. My bad.
Run my passport number.
I don’t know what that means.
How can you not know how to run it?
Ok, then, how do I run it?
I have no idea.
That exchange reminds me of this scene from Community
They think the American State National fake passport sold by a moonshine distillery website gives them diplomatic immunity.
It’s the small sliver of doubt that maybe, just maybe, someone on the internet defrauded them for all their personal data and several hundred dollars
Maybe they should send a Foia request to the fraudster then…?
Just wait until the IRS learns about the waves sales tax…
The dealer didn’t waive the tax. They took it off the sticker price, presented the idiot with the lower number and said, “OK! Waived!”
SOURCE: Sold cars for a few months. This is Day One kinda tactics.
I think he was trying to say there was no sales tax because he didn’t register the truck or the trailer. There’s no way he waived a piece of paper in front of the DMV and they said “oh yeah, you’re totally exempt.”
You pay sales tax when registering the truck and not when buying it?
In some states you do. Even if you already own the vehicle and move that said state, you have to pay a sales tax…
Sales tax is for transfer of title (i.e. ownership). Registration is to get license plates (number plates), to legally drive on public roads.
I bet what they didn’t have to pay are “registration fees”.
IRS doesn’t care about sales tax. That’s a state thing–usually enforced when you register the car, which apparently didn’t happen.
Damn it, I can’t stand it when they run my regular name instead of my all caps name.
Love to see smoothbrain try this passport at JFK.
I’d pay to see that
These guys really like their FOIA requests, don’t they?
It’s got Freedom in the name. It must be good!
Love them!
