If someone has a flaw and you accuse them of being much worse than it is, it does push them away and make them think that maybe other people who are also getting accused unjustly, making them more willing to listen and get influenced by those people. The probability they get lulled into a bubble becomes much higher. It’s why a lot of families that trusted each other have been broken up by politics. This comic had been reposted before but it is also incredibly reductive.
Nobody is being accused unjustly by comparing them to Nazis. If you cannot see the parallels you are ignorant of history. I understand they don’t like it.
A lot of families that trusted each other have been broken up by family members deciding to worship a racist demagogue.
The problem is on your side, not seeing that that was also what happened to those pulled into the Nazi cult of personality. The fact that you are as oblivious as a Trumper to it when I literally mention world war in my second sentence is astounding, but not surprising.
You’re really confused. I hope you are able to organize your thoughts on this. Maybe a different attempt in another thread you’ll be able to understand things better.
I love how people like you are the flip side equal of Trump people warping reality to shit on it. Same bullshit, both sides aren’t equal but people like you certainly resemble them closer.
The whole MAGA messaging is anti immigration, but only focused on brown immigrants, and has been since it started in 2016. Trump and Vance are currently apreading lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets.
Anyone who is a Trump person supports racism and that makes them racist.
The MAGA movement definitely plays on and has racist undertones. But everything I’ve said still stands, and you are still only seeing extremes. Maybe the nerve that was hit was you pissing on centuries of psychology about cults and how people like you are as willing as them to burn bridges.
Victims of cults initially fall for positive messaging and are slowly tricked into accepting more and more horrible cult programming over time. MAGA started with the horrible cult programming and there was nothing to fall for.
MAGA is like if Jim Jones started at the step where he was promoting mass suicide.
Oh, you started so well now, too. The irony of continuing to call it a cult in the second sentence on the first paragraph while trying to suggest it’s not the same. Just because it was obvious from your life experience doesn’t mean it was like from theirs. It’s also not just positive messaging, people can be brought into a cult for their own particular reason and have a very different perception of what a cult is than other members, sort of like religion.
But if you seriously believe those other guys are that bad, just break out into a civil/world war already, there’s basically no other way to solve that problem…
It is reductive, mostly because I’m not capable of considering someone redeemable and irredeemable at the same time. Take your pick. It is a two way street, and you see them as that flawed and they certainly aren’t going to cross outside of their bubble, no chance to ever meet on that street. I don’t live in lala land, but then again, I’m not the one seeing all of them that flawed.
One of the things that cults do is carve off people from the wider populace. It’s them that say “everyone is against you” it’s them that say that “there’s no way back, so you might as well throw your lot in with us. We are the only ones that understand and accept you. As long as you behave in a way that we feel is acceptable, or do something for us”.
Staying in the cult starts off the easy path rather than seek to change yourself. Then, after a while you start falling for the sunk cost fallacy. It’s that, that keeps you in the long term even when times get tough.
But, there is always redemption, a way out. And blaming your whole life on other people isn’t a particularly efficient tactic. Again, personal responsibility.
Then either they are that flawed and are really literal Nazis getting their Nazi tattoos, or they get increasingly sucked into participating within a cult, take your pick.
You know one way that helps them carve off people from the wider populace? Being accused of having a flaw greater than it really is, carving them away from those they should be sticking to from their side and letting them be pulled into the cult’s bubble. And for many, that flaw is simply being senile, not racist, and even then still generally needing a fair dose of cult programming to eventually instill those racist sentiments.
Even for Nazis getting Nazi tattoos, there’s redemption. A way out. But there has to be a willingness to take that first step.
The tragedy of the comic strip is that the person getting the tattoo and shaving their allows themselves to be defined by others. And it’s not just the normies and the left that’s doing it. It’s a grotesque, sure but for those on the outside, it kinda looks like that.
If someone has a flaw and you accuse them of being much worse than it is, it does push them away and make them think that maybe other people who are also getting accused unjustly, making them more willing to listen and get influenced by those people. The probability they get lulled into a bubble becomes much higher. It’s why a lot of families that trusted each other have been broken up by politics. This comic had been reposted before but it is also incredibly reductive.
Nobody is being accused unjustly by comparing them to Nazis. If you cannot see the parallels you are ignorant of history. I understand they don’t like it.
A lot of families that trusted each other have been broken up by family members deciding to worship a racist demagogue.
https://lemm.ee/post/42673367/14910346
If you think that’s warping reality I invite you to open a history book.
No, I see the parallels perfectly, since I’m not blind to an argument like you are.
https://lemm.ee/post/42673367/14904356
The problem is on your side, not seeing that that was also what happened to those pulled into the Nazi cult of personality. The fact that you are as oblivious as a Trumper to it when I literally mention world war in my second sentence is astounding, but not surprising.
You’re really confused. I hope you are able to organize your thoughts on this. Maybe a different attempt in another thread you’ll be able to understand things better.
Calling out racism doesn’t make me responsible for said racism. That’s a really weird take for you to make.
https://lemm.ee/post/42673367/14910346
Wow, a comic character simply pointing out that Trump.people are racist sure seems to have hit a nerve.
I love how people like you are the flip side equal of Trump people warping reality to shit on it. Same bullshit, both sides aren’t equal but people like you certainly resemble them closer.
The whole MAGA messaging is anti immigration, but only focused on brown immigrants, and has been since it started in 2016. Trump and Vance are currently apreading lies about Haitian immigrants eating pets.
Anyone who is a Trump person supports racism and that makes them racist.
The MAGA movement definitely plays on and has racist undertones. But everything I’ve said still stands, and you are still only seeing extremes. Maybe the nerve that was hit was you pissing on centuries of psychology about cults and how people like you are as willing as them to burn bridges.
Is the MAGA cult in the room with you right now?
Goto https://lemm.ee/post/42673367/14910346
Victims of cults initially fall for positive messaging and are slowly tricked into accepting more and more horrible cult programming over time. MAGA started with the horrible cult programming and there was nothing to fall for.
MAGA is like if Jim Jones started at the step where he was promoting mass suicide.
Oh, you started so well now, too. The irony of continuing to call it a cult in the second sentence on the first paragraph while trying to suggest it’s not the same. Just because it was obvious from your life experience doesn’t mean it was like from theirs. It’s also not just positive messaging, people can be brought into a cult for their own particular reason and have a very different perception of what a cult is than other members, sort of like religion.
It is reductive, mostly because I’m not capable of considering someone redeemable and irredeemable at the same time. Take your pick. It is a two way street, and you see them as that flawed and they certainly aren’t going to cross outside of their bubble, no chance to ever meet on that street. I don’t live in lala land, but then again, I’m not the one seeing all of them that flawed.
One of the things that cults do is carve off people from the wider populace. It’s them that say “everyone is against you” it’s them that say that “there’s no way back, so you might as well throw your lot in with us. We are the only ones that understand and accept you. As long as you behave in a way that we feel is acceptable, or do something for us”.
Staying in the cult starts off the easy path rather than seek to change yourself. Then, after a while you start falling for the sunk cost fallacy. It’s that, that keeps you in the long term even when times get tough.
But, there is always redemption, a way out. And blaming your whole life on other people isn’t a particularly efficient tactic. Again, personal responsibility.
Then either they are that flawed and are really literal Nazis getting their Nazi tattoos, or they get increasingly sucked into participating within a cult, take your pick.
You know one way that helps them carve off people from the wider populace? Being accused of having a flaw greater than it really is, carving them away from those they should be sticking to from their side and letting them be pulled into the cult’s bubble. And for many, that flaw is simply being senile, not racist, and even then still generally needing a fair dose of cult programming to eventually instill those racist sentiments.
Even for Nazis getting Nazi tattoos, there’s redemption. A way out. But there has to be a willingness to take that first step. The tragedy of the comic strip is that the person getting the tattoo and shaving their allows themselves to be defined by others. And it’s not just the normies and the left that’s doing it. It’s a grotesque, sure but for those on the outside, it kinda looks like that.