Why is consensus that trump is a POS a bad thing? I hate articles like this and it always makes me wonder if this is foreign interference trying to force artificial divides.
I, too, find stuff like this obnoxiously navel-gazey, given the context.
Think of it like WW2, and the Soviets. They were NOT the good guys at the start of the war - look up the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact and the joint Soviet/Nazi invasion of Poland if you don’t know what I’m talking about. But ultimately, the greater existential threat ended up being the Nazis, so the allies ended up in a straight up military alliance with the Soviets. And then, of course, immediately segued into the First Cold War shortly after the European and Pacific campaigns were fully wrapped up.
The Republicans who are doing this are not really our friends, but they are recognizing a mutual threat, and for now, the correct tactical decision is to let them help the rest of us stop the overt fascists from gaining power.
In my opinion, especially for those that endorsed Trump in the past, they are just trying to find the easy way out. They went so far down the rabbit hole following Trump that this is the only out they have. They’d rather magically change their opinion on Trump than admit they bet on the wrong horse for the shit they had planned. This has been a long time coming ever since they failed on January 6th.
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This should signal to everyone a shift in the democratic party. it is now the new conservative party, it will continue this way for years to come.
I mean for fuck sake! Monsters from the Raegan adminsitration are endorsing her. Dick Cheney is endorsing her. This election is an escape pod for these ‘rational’ demons. With each passing day, and each new GOP endorsement to the Harris campaign. Gives me less and less motivations to vote.
Blue MAGA has become unquestionably supportive of Kamala as red MAGAs are for Trump. No accountability is needed for these folks to cast a vote. What a fucking circus this is.
I hope you all are ready for climate extinction before we get a presidency with working class people in mind.
I’m tired boss.
Are you a troll or dumb? They’re not endorsing her because they like her policies. They are endorsing her because she isn’t actively trying to subvert our entire government. Yes, even a monster like Dick Cheny endorsed her but he stated that he doesn’t like her, he just hates her less than he hates Trump.
Wow what’s with the hostility?
No I am not a troll. These are geniune concerns, have you asked yourself these questions? Not too long ago these people were for Trump and his policies. As late as the 2020 election, They’ve endorsed him before. ( Don’t say that the Insurrection changed their minds. Cheney and W would like to have a word)
Right now the image of the Republican party is MAGA. There is no changing or escaping that. These evil fucking people see that. If they go down with that ship there is no possibility for them to have a large base behind them and their opinions in the future.
The Democrats have been Neoliberal for forever. You really see it not as a possibility for them to shift to the right even further? It’s been gradual but it’s happening.
There is no need for the Democrats to bend to the whim of the people, they are in a really good spot right now compared to the Trump campaign. They placate us with issues like abortion. Then become bloodthirsty on issues like Israel. Even straight up ignoring us on home issues like healthcare and wage growth.
I mean fuck, Kamala ran on Medicaid for everyone. How quickly she turned on that when the writing was on the wall for her to become the nominee. Now she’s advocating for similar policies as Trump “no tax on tips” for example. It’s fucking exhausting. I am tired of this reach across the aisle bullshit when there is a large untapped left wing base the Democrats refuse to reach to.
Am I saying she’s worse than Trump? No. However, my brow gets raised when these sorts of people are advocating for her. When Republicans are invited to the DNC to speak. These people were celebrating taking women’s rights away. However it’s an issue so unpopular it has completely screwed the party over in the long run. Yet the Democrats welcome them with open arms.
Friend these people endorsing her are the very same people that caused us to be where we are and get us a radical president like Trump. Do you really think they are remorsful?
You get what you give. If you don’t like it. You’re free to behave differently.
Anyone using the term “blue maga” in any capacity other than to call out and ridicule those using it seriously. Are either dishonest, trolling, and or uninformed. Worse if they do it hypocritically from a Leninist associated domain.
You can, and I do generally dislike liberals. But also be honest about them, and work with them where interests align. Which yes, even as someone ideologically libertarian/anarchist communist it definitely happens. Actually more often than my interests align with leninists. Who unironically and proudly just sentenced someone to more than a year in prison that over a fucking shirt because of course that brain rotted ideology would.
They’re not endorsing her because they think she’s conservative. They’re endorsing her because they know Trump is on his last leg and they are trying to distance themselves from him.
Immediately after the election settles, they will start criticizing everything Harris does again while trying to build up their version of the Republican party. They’re looking to reboot it without Trump, and this is the way to do it.
I don’t see it as them endorsing her because they see her as a conservative. I see it as them endorsing her and later retreating to the Democratic party because right now it’s the only party that seems rational for both sides. Let’s be honest the Democrats are more Neoliberal than Democrat. To me, that shift is inching more and more to the right. It feels like setting the stage for a democratic party that is becoming the original ‘reasonable’ conservative values.
For the love of god I hope you are right. Guess we will wait and see what avenues they take. I feel like the conservative party and name is and will continue to be an irredeemable trash fire because of what MAGA has done to it.
That’s great news. Dems are conservative. If Repubs transition away from the racist fascism and theocracy party and join a regular conservative party then we might be able to have an actual progressive party.
Stop.
Recognize the tactical political exigencies that exist here. Understand that there actually are a meaningful number of republicans who are NOT, in fact, down with fascism, and that this is them trying to stop the fascists from gaining power.
To be clear: they’re not our friends. But we DO share a mutual enemy that is very likely an existential threat to both of us.
Ah yes, Dick Cheney and the Raegan Administration. The pinnacle of morality. It seems people are really ok with brushing off what Cheney and W did with the supreme court and there election against Al Gore. They just did it in a more formal way than Orange Hitler tried to do.
These people not too long ago were singing praises to the Trump administration. How can you not furl your brow at the endorsement of Kamala. This is just a strategic game for these ghouls.
As I have said in other replies the writing is on the wall for their party. When the Democrats win I will not be surprised with the mass exodus for these people to the Democratic party.
I’m simply throwing out concerns I have had with these endorsements and all I have been told so far is to stop or that I am stupid. No one has given me concrete reasons as to why these fears are invalid.
Again nowhere have I said “don’t vote for Kamala”. I understand the sense of urgency people are feeling. However, this is just putting off the problem. Voting for Kamala does not end the right’s thirst for facisism.
Kamala wins. What about the election 4 years after? Or 4 years after that? People are tired of nothing changing for them, do you really think that momentum is going to be quelmed? Do you really think less and less people will be not exhausted? Facisism is an ongoing battle but there is clear messaging on the wall for attacks that could cripple it deep.
I mean Jesus Christ Medicaid for all would surely make people think twice about voting for the party that didn’t give it to them. That’s one of the most popular issues that could give Democrats a slam dunk for years to come. Are they interested in that? Absolutely not.
I have yet to here any slam dunk policies from the Harris campaign besides " project 2025 bad mmmmkay" which is a given at this point.
It seems also people forget Kamala’s original campaign promises and how swiftly she has tried to distance herself from them. Which is fucking disappointing.
These are the same people that fear mongered us into Afghanistan and Iraq for their own personal gain. What makes you think they aren’t doing it here?
Holy fuck, dude. I’m not defending them or their ideology. I never will. I categorically disagree with them on the vast majority of their positions. But right now they and we share an existential threat. If you want to ignore that… welll, you do you, but I’m not going to let perfect (or in this case, deeply flawed in a lot of important ways) be the enemy of objective good. And here, “objective good” is “not letting the fascists win”.
Calling democrats “Blue MAGA”, at least currently is a stretch and a half since there is still a sizeable difference between the parties, but yeah - current democrats are getting real close to pre-2000’s republicans in everything except few policies.
As you have correctly pointed out, a lot of the American liberals are unquestionably supporting Kamala no matter what she does, and it’s just so frustrating to see. People can support and vote for a party but also be critical of it much like how you can have your favorite video game and have gripes with it that you hope could have been fixed, but I guess that’s taking a backseat in favour of “politics as team sports” where the only thing that matters is beating the other side.
That being said, choosing not to vote for dems because of this is stupid - even if democrats aren’t going to shift back to center, it’s a much better alternative for the average person (foreign or otherwise) than Trump becoming the dictator. Though I worry about the future of US politics - republicans who stay with Trump are numerous, and once he’s gone then another alt-right populist is going to come, one who’s even worse than Trump (while being younger and more lucid), and there is no guarantee democrats are going to have Kamala 2 to steal the momentum back or even be able to fight them.
You might as well not have written that wall of BS
They have made it openly clear who they are. Harris still be supporting Trump’s wall and is fine with courting GOP staff and people like Dick Cheney. All the liberals care about is the ends justifying the means but long term they will only shift to the right. That is why they always say every election, “Hold your nose and vote for this trash and then we could make get someone decent/progressive next time.”
“Hold your nose and vote for this trash and then we could make get someone decent/progressive next time.”
And then watch what happens when somebody like Sanders almost gets nominated.
The hardest I’ve ever seen Dems fight was against sanders. They used every resource in the book. I wish they fought the GOP with the same amount of effort, we wouldn’t be here. When your tent is big enough to include the people who laid the groundwork for Project 2025 you’ve lost the plot. Trump is a problem but Project 2025 is a group project.
