• aesthelete@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    If you have to type fifteen responses complete with diagrams about your ideology, then everything I’m saying about it not being straightforwardly definable is 100% correct and you’re proving it right now.

    Gallup found that voters who identify as libertarians ranged from 17 to 23% of the American electorate.

    Exactly, “identify as”…do you really think 17-23% of the American voting populace actually holds consistent, definable meanings about what it means to be a libertarian? I’m willing to bet that they do not.

    American politics is basically like the aisles in the grocery stores here: lots and lots of different labels and colorful packaging, and very little actual choice.

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      Most of us vote for the candidate that best upholds our interests no matter the letter on the lapel. In a FPtP system you are correct not much choice in the national elections, thats a feature of FPtP not a bug. Don’t mistake us as having no consistnacy while we are forced to strategically vote instead of using a ranked choice.

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        Most of us vote for the candidate that best upholds our interests no matter the letter on the lapel.

        This also isn’t true. Hypothetically, rational voters would vote their own self-interest or using other rationally explicable criteria, but those are hypothetical voters. Those “thought exercise” voters are just as hypothetical as the “invisible hand” that magically makes markets fair, or the hypothetical economic rational actor in the economy that always has perfect information and behaves rationally to maximize their own self-interest. They’re more fictional than the “spherical cows” involved in introductory physics problems.

        A lot (or maybe even most) of the people that vote Republican vote against their own interests. That’s why Cory Doctorow talks about them being “turkeys voting for Christmas”.

        Farmers that vote Trump are voting against their own interest. People from small towns with decaying infrastructure that vote Trump are voting for a circus clown that will not do anything to improve their life a single iota.