The FBI had been out to see the 14yr old who murdered classmates and teachers. Spoken with his parents, and him. He denied everything, no probable cause, so they put the schools on alert, and that made for a quicker response.
Oh, so we knew this kid was a problem but we didn’t actually do anything but tell the school to be ready to get shot up.
They also went to the kids house and investigated, but they didn’t have proof of anything that would meet any criteria for arrest, yeah.
So they discussed with the parents, discussed with the school, discussed with the police, etc. I can’t say I blame the FBI here for what they were able to do based on anonymous reports about comments made online. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with giving any federal agency just free reign to arrest on anonymous reports alone, that’s just opening a new form of swatting to me.
But clearly, its not enough, and that’s the issue. For example, restricting the access to guns would have been good. Restricting access on a larger scale would be better.
Instead… We have two teachers and two 14yr old kids dead.
The school could have suspended him after hearing he was investigated by the FBI. I wonder if the school even told any of the parents about this. I’d be furious if the school knew this kid was a threat and did nothing to keep him away from other students.
I gotta stop talking about this and find some funny memes because my kid is currently at a high school now, and could be the next victim, and not having any power or knowledge about someone shooting them fills me with rage and frustration.
Not really - same problem, no proof it was him that posted. The kid having access to guns after being seen as a person who might do this, that’s the problem.
The parents doing functionally nothing is a problem.
The total lack of any change from this is also a problem.
My kids are younger, but unfortunately that just means more years of worry at this point, because nothing is changing.
The problem is that the administrators are too busy following the rules to deal with anything, from bullying to shootings. I bet they’d let a baby die in a hot car because it’s against the rules to break the window.
I think you’re underestimating how many times the FBI (police, whomever) go out and speak with someone. There will be a lot of kids who did nothing wrong, who have not planned to do anything wrong, which would be suspended or otherwise “handled”.
That’s not good either. Especially when the issue is quite obviously guns and complete lack of laws around them in GA.
If the school can’t suspend him for allegedly making this threat there’s no way they’d be able to take the guns out of the house for the same thing. There’s no right to an education in the Constitution, but there is a right to bear arms.
There was no proof it was him who made a threat - that’s the point.
There are ways to take away weapons from people when a threat is credible, during the course of an investigation.
There should be more limits on access to guns regardless.
The constitution needs an update. For one, this was not the purpose of the second amendment, and two, its an amendment - just like every other aspect of the constitution, it can be changed.
There is no gun crime without guns. The idea that we need to look anywhere else is, to me, absolutely ludicrous and shameful.
Edit: Regarding the edit - the fact that there is no right to education is also a problem, albeit a different one.
The idea that the 2nd amendment exists but nothing regarding education does should not mean “Well fuck all these kids because 1 out of several hundred may have actually been a threat” is completely deranged to me. Sorry, but there is no world where you’re going to convince me otherwise. The problem is the guns.
I’m saying that if I were a principal and the FBI let me know they talked to a kid my response wouldn’t be to wait for him to show up, regardless of what the rules say, because I care more about kids not getting shot than the rules. Which is why I’m not a principal.
Also, if the threat wasn’t credible enough to suspend him, it was definitely not credible enough to remove the guns from his parents’ possession. The guns would still have been there.
Anyways, this topic pisses me off more than the awful conference call I’m avoiding so I’m not going to respond anymore.
Oh, so we knew this kid was a problem but we didn’t actually do anything but tell the school to be ready to get shot up.
What a fucking stupid country.
They also went to the kids house and investigated, but they didn’t have proof of anything that would meet any criteria for arrest, yeah.
So they discussed with the parents, discussed with the school, discussed with the police, etc. I can’t say I blame the FBI here for what they were able to do based on anonymous reports about comments made online. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with giving any federal agency just free reign to arrest on anonymous reports alone, that’s just opening a new form of swatting to me.
But clearly, its not enough, and that’s the issue. For example, restricting the access to guns would have been good. Restricting access on a larger scale would be better.
Instead… We have two teachers and two 14yr old kids dead.
The school could have suspended him after hearing he was investigated by the FBI. I wonder if the school even told any of the parents about this. I’d be furious if the school knew this kid was a threat and did nothing to keep him away from other students.
I gotta stop talking about this and find some funny memes because my kid is currently at a high school now, and could be the next victim, and not having any power or knowledge about someone shooting them fills me with rage and frustration.
Not really - same problem, no proof it was him that posted. The kid having access to guns after being seen as a person who might do this, that’s the problem.
The parents doing functionally nothing is a problem.
The total lack of any change from this is also a problem.
My kids are younger, but unfortunately that just means more years of worry at this point, because nothing is changing.
The problem is that the administrators are too busy following the rules to deal with anything, from bullying to shootings. I bet they’d let a baby die in a hot car because it’s against the rules to break the window.
I think you’re underestimating how many times the FBI (police, whomever) go out and speak with someone. There will be a lot of kids who did nothing wrong, who have not planned to do anything wrong, which would be suspended or otherwise “handled”.
That’s not good either. Especially when the issue is quite obviously guns and complete lack of laws around them in GA.
If the school can’t suspend him for allegedly making this threat there’s no way they’d be able to take the guns out of the house for the same thing. There’s no right to an education in the Constitution, but there is a right to bear arms.
There was no proof it was him who made a threat - that’s the point.
There are ways to take away weapons from people when a threat is credible, during the course of an investigation.
There should be more limits on access to guns regardless.
The constitution needs an update. For one, this was not the purpose of the second amendment, and two, its an amendment - just like every other aspect of the constitution, it can be changed.
There is no gun crime without guns. The idea that we need to look anywhere else is, to me, absolutely ludicrous and shameful.
Edit: Regarding the edit - the fact that there is no right to education is also a problem, albeit a different one.
The idea that the 2nd amendment exists but nothing regarding education does should not mean “Well fuck all these kids because 1 out of several hundred may have actually been a threat” is completely deranged to me. Sorry, but there is no world where you’re going to convince me otherwise. The problem is the guns.
I’m saying that if I were a principal and the FBI let me know they talked to a kid my response wouldn’t be to wait for him to show up, regardless of what the rules say, because I care more about kids not getting shot than the rules. Which is why I’m not a principal.
Also, if the threat wasn’t credible enough to suspend him, it was definitely not credible enough to remove the guns from his parents’ possession. The guns would still have been there.
Anyways, this topic pisses me off more than the awful conference call I’m avoiding so I’m not going to respond anymore.